Hi,

On Aug 16, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uhnak@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

Assuming that's 6:30 PM, then I am interested. :)

Great. Indeed, it is 6:30 PM :)

Cheers, Doru

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I will be there. Anne Le 16 août 2016 à 13:05, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com a écrit :

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Hi,

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On Aug 16, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uhnak@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com

wrote:

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Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in

Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

...

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Assuming that's 6:30 PM, then I am interested. :)

Great. Indeed, it is 6:30 PM :)

Cheers, Doru

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Hi,

We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say?

Cheers, Doru

On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

Doru

guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday.

Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon?

Stef

Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit :

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Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

Would anyone else be interested?

Cheers, Doru

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"Reasonable is what we are accustomed with."

I won’t be there on Thurstay, but there is no reason to make an extra meeting on Tuesday just because of me.

Cheers. Uko

On 17 Aug 2016, at 21:11, Peter Uhnák i.uhnak@gmail.com wrote:

I'm here all year, so I don't mind the change. :)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote: Hi,

We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say?

Cheers, Doru

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On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

Doru

guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday.

Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon?

Stef

Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit :

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Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

Would anyone else be interested?

Cheers, Doru

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Doru

I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates.

So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday

Stef

Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi,

We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say?

Cheers, Doru

...

On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

Doru

guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday.

Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon?

Stef

Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit :

...

Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

Would anyone else be interested?

Cheers, Doru

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This is cool.

So, we make it on Wednesday at 16:30 then. It’s even better to have it on a day with a shorter program.

Cheers, Doru

On Aug 18, 2016, at 12:27 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

I checked with the local organiser: the social event per se starts at 19h.

so we have time for the moose meeting before. I would like to have the synectique people at this meeting.

Stef

Le 18/8/16 à 11:10, stepharo a écrit :

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Doru

I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates.

So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday

Stef

Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit :

...

Hi,

We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say?

Cheers, Doru

...

On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

Doru

guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday.

Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon?

Stef

Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit :

...

Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

Would anyone else be interested?

Cheers, Doru

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Hi,

Since we get a two year engineer position to enhance the heart (FAMIX and FAME) of Moose, I prepared some slides. So it could be good if we can have access to a video projector.

See you in Prague.

Anne

Le 18 août 2016 à 14:59, Stephan Eggermont stephan@stack.nl a écrit :

Good!

Stephan

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

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Op 18 aug. 2016 om 13:04 heeft Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com het volgende geschreven:

This is cool.

So, we make it on Wednesday at 16:30 then. It’s even better to have it on a day with a shorter program.

Cheers, Doru

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On Aug 18, 2016, at 12:27 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

I checked with the local organiser: the social event per se starts at 19h.

so we have time for the moose meeting before. I would like to have the synectique people at this meeting.

Stef

...

Le 18/8/16 à 11:10, stepharo a écrit : Doru

I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates.

So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday

Stef

...

Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit : Hi,

We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say?

Cheers, Doru

...

On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

Doru

guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday.

Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon?

Stef

> Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit : > Hi, > > I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30. > > Would anyone else be interested? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "It's not how it is, it is how we see it." > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Please find them attached. Cheers, Anne

Le 22 août 2016 à 15:21, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com a écrit :

Hi Anne,

I would prefer to have a conversation, rather than presentations.

Would it be possible to send the slides here so that we can look at them beforehand?

Cheers, Doru

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On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Anne Etien anne.etien@univ-lille1.fr wrote:

Hi,

Since we get a two year engineer position to enhance the heart (FAMIX and FAME) of Moose, I prepared some slides. So it could be good if we can have access to a video projector.

See you in Prague.

Anne

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Le 18 août 2016 à 14:59, Stephan Eggermont stephan@stack.nl a écrit :

Good!

Stephan

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

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Op 18 aug. 2016 om 13:04 heeft Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com het volgende geschreven:

This is cool.

So, we make it on Wednesday at 16:30 then. It’s even better to have it on a day with a shorter program.

Cheers, Doru

...

On Aug 18, 2016, at 12:27 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

I checked with the local organiser: the social event per se starts at 19h.

so we have time for the moose meeting before. I would like to have the synectique people at this meeting.

Stef

...

Le 18/8/16 à 11:10, stepharo a écrit : Doru

I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates.

So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday

Stef

> Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit : > Hi, > > We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say? > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote: >> >> Doru >> >> guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday. >> >> Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon? >> >> >> Stef >> >>> Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30. >>> >>> Would anyone else be interested? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> "It's not how it is, it is how we see it." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tx Stefan

I asked cyril to compile his own list too.

On 22/08/16 20:32, Anne Etien wrote:

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Please find them attached. Cheers, Anne

Thanks Anne. A good list. Here are some more:

Name resolving is something we now do custom for each language. Some more generic tooling for that might be worthwhile too.

Support for systems consisting of multiple languages would be helpful. Systems using SQL stored procedures and another language, or XML configuration files are very common.

I also tend to need to model connected artifacts: JIRA tickets, requirements, releases.

What would be good is to share such models (and importers).

"20mn are currently needed to load a 1 million elements model. " 20 million what? The inheritance depth and #instVars in current FAMIX are problematic indeed. It is much too easy to run out of memory.

The storage of calculated measurements also needs changes: mostly I calculate the same measurements for all (or a group of) methods/classes/units. Storing them in a dictionary for each instance is very wasteful.

Cheers, Stephan

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Thanks Anne for these slides. They are indeed good starting point for discussions

Alexandre

On Aug 22, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Anne Etien anne.etien@univ-lille1.fr wrote:

Please find them attached. Cheers, Anne <MooseADT.pdf>

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Le 22 août 2016 à 15:21, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com a écrit :

Hi Anne,

I would prefer to have a conversation, rather than presentations.

Would it be possible to send the slides here so that we can look at them beforehand?

Cheers, Doru

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On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Anne Etien anne.etien@univ-lille1.fr wrote:

Hi,

Since we get a two year engineer position to enhance the heart (FAMIX and FAME) of Moose, I prepared some slides. So it could be good if we can have access to a video projector.

See you in Prague.

Anne

...

Le 18 août 2016 à 14:59, Stephan Eggermont stephan@stack.nl a écrit :

Good!

Stephan

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

...

Op 18 aug. 2016 om 13:04 heeft Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com het volgende geschreven:

This is cool.

So, we make it on Wednesday at 16:30 then. It’s even better to have it on a day with a shorter program.

Cheers, Doru

...

On Aug 18, 2016, at 12:27 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

I checked with the local organiser: the social event per se starts at 19h.

so we have time for the moose meeting before. I would like to have the synectique people at this meeting.

Stef

> Le 18/8/16 à 11:10, stepharo a écrit : > Doru > > I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start > at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. > I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates. > > So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday > > Stef > >> Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote: >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday. >>> >>> Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon? >>> >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit : >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30. >>>> >>>> Would anyone else be interested? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> "It's not how it is, it is how we see it." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 24 août 2016 à 02:51, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com a écrit :

Hi,

Thanks, Anne.

I also think it is interesting to look at the meta-model and meta-meta-model. I have some ideas as well, but I am curious to hear your concerns in more details. We definitely need more modular possibilities and a smaller footprint.

One constraint that is important is to keep the mapping to the Pharo objects as straightforward as possible. We currently have a 1-to-1 mapping, and this is important to preserve.

Another issue to keep into consideration if we modify the meta-meta-model is to provide a compatible solution for Java (and possibly other languages).

In the meantime, here a list of some of my issues:

• More importers, ideally for JS, .Net and C/C++

There is a VDM parser from Tomo who is at ESUG conference.

• Visual editors for manipulating meta-description (there is a start in the inspector now)
• Integration of the SmaCC ASTs in the tools
• PetitParser review
• Duplication detector

Cheers, Doru

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On Aug 22, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Anne Etien anne.etien@univ-lille1.fr wrote:

Please find them attached. Cheers, Anne <MooseADT.pdf>

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Le 22 août 2016 à 15:21, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com a écrit :

Hi Anne,

I would prefer to have a conversation, rather than presentations.

Would it be possible to send the slides here so that we can look at them beforehand?

Cheers, Doru

...

On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Anne Etien anne.etien@univ-lille1.fr wrote:

Hi,

Since we get a two year engineer position to enhance the heart (FAMIX and FAME) of Moose, I prepared some slides. So it could be good if we can have access to a video projector.

See you in Prague.

Anne

...

Le 18 août 2016 à 14:59, Stephan Eggermont stephan@stack.nl a écrit :

Good!

Stephan

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

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Op 18 aug. 2016 om 13:04 heeft Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com het volgende geschreven:

This is cool.

So, we make it on Wednesday at 16:30 then. It’s even better to have it on a day with a shorter program.

Cheers, Doru

> On Aug 18, 2016, at 12:27 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote: > > I checked with the local organiser: the social event per se starts at 19h. > > so we have time for the moose meeting before. I would like to have the synectique people at this meeting. > > > Stef > > >> Le 18/8/16 à 11:10, stepharo a écrit : >> Doru >> >> I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start >> at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. >> I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates. >> >> So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday >> >> Stef >> >>> Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote: >>>> >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday. >>>> >>>> Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon? >>>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>>> Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit : >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30. >>>>> >>>>> Would anyone else be interested? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> www.feenk.com >>>>> >>>>> "It's not how it is, it is how we see it." >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch >> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Wednesday seems perfect for everybody and then we can have a drink all together; sounds good :-)

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2016-08-18 12:27 GMT+02:00 stepharo stepharo@free.fr:

I checked with the local organiser: the social event per se starts at 19h.

so we have time for the moose meeting before. I would like to have the synectique people at this meeting.

Stef

Le 18/8/16 à 11:10, stepharo a écrit :

Doru

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I know that I should not say it :) I do not know exactly when the social event starts but it will not start at 16h30. I think that I should change the schedule to mark free time then social event. I will ask the local organiser to tell me the exact dates.

So I suggest that we can do it at 16h30 wednesday

Stef

Le 17/8/16 à 18:22, Tudor Girba a écrit :

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Hi,

We can move it, but Wednesday we have the social event. We could do it Thursday at 6:30 pm. Or we can do two :). What do people say?

Cheers, Doru

On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:35 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:

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Doru

guillaume and philippe from synectique are arriving late the tuesday.

Could we move the meeting the wednesday afternoon?

Stef

Le 16/8/16 à 09:30, Tudor Girba a écrit :

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Hi,

I would like to have a meeting with the people that are interested in Moose and are present at ESUG. I propose to have it on Tuesday, at 6:30.

Would anyone else be interested?

Cheers, Doru

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