31 Oct
2018
31 Oct
'18
9:44 p.m.
Hi,
Glamorous Toolkit has evolved quite a bit over the past months, and we now would like to
announce that we reached alpha.2 version. It runs on top of Pharo 7:
feenk.com/gt
There quite a number of new things. Some highlights are:
- We added extensive documentation for GT, Bloc and Brick. By running "GtWorld
openTour” you essentially transform the image into an elaborate wiki.
- We worked on Coder, a new set of tools that are dedicated for affecting code. For
example, in the picture below we see an editor on embedded examples that can be edited and
run independently.
And this one shows how we can visualize and edit the result of querying.
Just a note: To make Coder work the way we want, we extended Brick with several widgets,
and enhanced significantly the linear and grid layouts.
- We added the first version of xdoc in order to serialize the Playground every time you
evaluate something.
As always, we are looking forward to your feedback.
Have fun,
The feenk team
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"Every thing should have the right to be different."
1 Nov
1 Nov
12:07 a.m.
Am 31.10.2018 um 21:44 schrieb Tudor Girba:
Hi,
As always, we are looking forward to your feedback.
The web site https://feenk.com/gt/#install looks nice and clean. I
quickly glanced over the features and decided that I want to install Moose.
To do this, I had to download and install Pharo, which worked well.
Then, the instructions on the web site say "Execute the following code
in a Pharo 7.0 image". Luckily, from past experience, I know that this
probably means to open the Playground and execute the code there. I did so.
For the last 15 minutes or so I have been watching the following screeen
flicker:
The "Loading baseline" boxes come and go, and they make the screen very
nervous. They have these red X buttons at the right, but since these
buttons constantly jump around on the screen, I have no realistic chance
of clicking on them.
As I said, the screen flickered for 15 minutes. In my opinion it is
mandatory to give the user at least an estimate as to how long they
still have to wait. Without this estimate, I'm left clueless, which
feels bad.
Also, during these 15 minutes, the screen often freezes so that clicking
or typing doesn't lead to an immediate response. This also feels bad.
The installation instructions on the web site should give a rough
estimate as to how long a typical installation takes, so that I can
decide beforehands whether I want to invest the time.
I have no idea about how long this installation will still take, so I'm
cancelling it now.
Best,
Roland
3:01 a.m.
It takes very long. Around +20 minutes for me (I am located in Chile, no idea whether this
matters or not).
Alexandre
On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Roland Illig
<roland.illig(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Am 31.10.2018 um 21:44 schrieb Tudor Girba:
Hi,
As always, we are looking forward to your feedback.
The web site
https://feenk.com/gt/#install looks nice and clean. I quickly glanced over the features
and decided that I want to install Moose.
To do this, I had to download and install Pharo, which worked well.
Then, the instructions on the web site say "Execute the following code in a Pharo
7.0 image". Luckily, from past experience, I know that this probably means to open
the Playground and execute the code there. I did so.
For the last 15 minutes or so I have been watching the following screeen flicker:
<ajeceolgcnmppiab.png>
The "Loading baseline" boxes come and go, and they make the screen very
nervous. They have these red X buttons at the right, but since these buttons constantly
jump around on the screen, I have no realistic chance of clicking on them.
As I said, the screen flickered for 15 minutes. In my opinion it is mandatory to give the
user at least an estimate as to how long they still have to wait. Without this estimate,
I'm left clueless, which feels bad.
Also, during these 15 minutes, the screen often freezes so that clicking or typing
doesn't lead to an immediate response. This also feels bad.
The installation instructions on the web site should give a rough estimate as to how long
a typical installation takes, so that I can decide beforehands whether I want to invest
the time.
<deckmoambnbldlnm.png>
I have no idea about how long this installation will still take, so I'm cancelling it
now.
Best,
Roland
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11:42 a.m.
Like me in Africa, takes me a lot of time to download and most of the time,
hang on in the middle because I have some internet connection hiccups or
timeout due to bad bandwidth ...
If I'm lucky, I have to try 2 or 3 times in order to load all the files
correctly.
I prefer to download the GToolkit64 image, much easier for me, because I
can relaunch the dl if something fails.
Apparently the image works but there is a problem when you launch the image
:
[image: Screen Shot 2018-11-01 at 11.32.46.png]
It would be great to have this image available directly on PharoLauncher.
Thank you.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:02 AM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
wrote:
It takes very long. Around +20 minutes for me (I am
located in Chile, no
idea whether this matters or not).
Alexandre
--
Serge Stinckwic
h
Int. Research Unit
on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO)
Sorbonne University
(SU)
French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD)
U
niversity of Yaoundé I, Cameroun
"Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for
machines to execute."
https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich
On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Roland Illig
<roland.illig(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Am 31.10.2018 um 21:44 schrieb Tudor Girba:
quickly glanced over the
features and decided that I want to install Moose.
Hi,
As always, we are looking forward to your feedback.
The web site
https://feenk.com/gt/#install looks nice and clean. I
To do this, I had to download and install Pharo, which worked well.
Then, the instructions on the web site say "Execute the following code
in a
Pharo 7.0 image". Luckily, from past experience, I know that this
probably means to open the Playground and execute the code there. I did so.
For the last 15 minutes or so I have been watching the following screeen
flicker:
<ajeceolgcnmppiab.png>
The "Loading baseline" boxes come and go, and they make the screen very
nervous. They have these red X buttons at the right, but since these
buttons constantly jump around on the screen, I have no realistic chance of
clicking on them.
As I said, the screen flickered for 15 minutes. In my opinion it is
mandatory to
give the user at least an estimate as to how long they still
have to wait. Without this estimate, I'm left clueless, which feels bad.
Also, during these 15 minutes, the screen often freezes so that clicking
or typing
doesn't lead to an immediate response. This also feels bad.
The installation instructions on the web site should give a rough
estimate as to
how long a typical installation takes, so that I can decide
beforehands whether I want to invest the time.
<deckmoambnbldlnm.png>
I have no idea about how long this installation will still take, so I'm
cancelling it now.
Best,
Roland
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11:45 a.m.
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
I see that you use 64bit. On which OS are you when you get the isTemp problem?
After closing the debugger, does it work to open the Glamorous Tour?
Cheers,
Doru
On Nov 1, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Serge Stinckwich
<serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Like me in Africa, takes me a lot of time to download and most of the time,
hang on in the middle because I have some internet connection hiccups or timeout due to
bad bandwidth ...
If I'm lucky, I have to try 2 or 3 times in order to load all the files correctly.
I prefer to download the GToolkit64 image, much easier for me, because I can relaunch the
dl if something fails.
Apparently the image works but there is a problem when you launch the image :
<Screen Shot 2018-11-01 at 11.32.46.png>
It would be great to have this image available directly on PharoLauncher.
Thank you.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:02 AM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
It takes very long. Around +20 minutes for me (I am located in Chile, no idea whether
this matters or not).
Alexandre
--
www.feenk.com
"It's not how it is, it is how we see it."
On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Roland Illig
<roland.illig(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Am 31.10.2018 um 21:44 schrieb Tudor Girba:
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Serge Stinckwich
Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO)
Sorbonne University (SU)
French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD)
University of Yaoundé I, Cameroun
"Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to
execute."
https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich
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https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev Hi,
As always, we are looking forward to your feedback.
The web site
https://feenk.com/gt/#install looks nice and clean. I quickly glanced over the features
and decided that I want to install Moose.
To do this, I had to download and install Pharo, which worked well.
Then, the instructions on the web site say "Execute the following code in a Pharo
7.0 image". Luckily, from past experience, I know that this probably means to open
the Playground and execute the code there. I did so.
For the last 15 minutes or so I have been watching the following screeen flicker:
<ajeceolgcnmppiab.png>
The "Loading baseline" boxes come and go, and they make the screen very
nervous. They have these red X buttons at the right, but since these buttons constantly
jump around on the screen, I have no realistic chance of clicking on them.
As I said, the screen flickered for 15 minutes. In my opinion it is mandatory to give the
user at least an estimate as to how long they still have to wait. Without this estimate,
I'm left clueless, which feels bad.
Also, during these 15 minutes, the screen often freezes so that clicking or typing
doesn't lead to an immediate response. This also feels bad.
The installation instructions on the web site should give a rough estimate as to how long
a typical installation takes, so that I can decide beforehands whether I want to invest
the time.
<deckmoambnbldlnm.png>
I have no idea about how long this installation will still take, so I'm cancelling it
now.
Best,
Roland
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Moose-dev mailing list
Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
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11:49 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:45 AM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
I see that you use 64bit. On which OS are you when you get the isTemp
problem?
MacOS 10.13.6 + PharoLauncher 1.4.6
Only happens the first time.
After closing the debugger, does it work to open the
Glamorous Tour?
Yes, I can open the Glamourous Tour.
Thank you Doru.
--
Serge Stinckwic
h
Int. Research Unit
on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO)
Sorbonne University
(SU)
French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD)
U
niversity of Yaoundé I, Cameroun
"Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for
machines to execute."
https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich
12:35 p.m.
Thanks. We will look at it.
Doru
On Nov 1, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Serge Stinckwich
<Serge.Stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:45 AM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
I see that you use 64bit. On which OS are you when you get the isTemp problem?
MacOS 10.13.6 + PharoLauncher 1.4.6
Only happens the first time.
After closing the debugger, does it work to open the Glamorous Tour?
Yes, I can open the Glamourous Tour.
Thank you Doru.
--
Serge Stinckwich
Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO)
Sorbonne University (SU)
French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD)
University of Yaoundé I, Cameroun
"Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to
execute."
https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich
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"Things happen when they happen,
not when you talk about them happening."
3:46 a.m.
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback and for the patience. We are still working on getting the
installation to be smoother. This is the very first situation where we actually have some
solutions that work to some extent.
We will write more explicit instructions. Indeed, loading the code does last long.
I see that you are using Windows. In this case, would it be possible to give the 32bit
image option a try?
Cheers,
Doru
On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Roland Illig
<roland.illig(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Am 31.10.2018 um 21:44 schrieb Tudor Girba:
--
www.feenk.com
"The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal."
Hi,
As always, we are looking forward to your feedback.
The web site
https://feenk.com/gt/#install looks nice and clean. I quickly glanced over the features
and decided that I want to install Moose.
To do this, I had to download and install Pharo, which worked well.
Then, the instructions on the web site say "Execute the following code in a Pharo
7.0 image". Luckily, from past experience, I know that this probably means to open
the Playground and execute the code there. I did so.
For the last 15 minutes or so I have been watching the following screeen flicker:
<ajeceolgcnmppiab.png>
The "Loading baseline" boxes come and go, and they make the screen very
nervous. They have these red X buttons at the right, but since these buttons constantly
jump around on the screen, I have no realistic chance of clicking on them.
As I said, the screen flickered for 15 minutes. In my opinion it is mandatory to give the
user at least an estimate as to how long they still have to wait. Without this estimate,
I'm left clueless, which feels bad.
Also, during these 15 minutes, the screen often freezes so that clicking or typing
doesn't lead to an immediate response. This also feels bad.
The installation instructions on the web site should give a rough estimate as to how long
a typical installation takes, so that I can decide beforehands whether I want to invest
the time.
<deckmoambnbldlnm.png>
I have no idea about how long this installation will still take, so I'm cancelling it
now.
Best,
Roland
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