How to get vertical labels with Roassal? - Moose-dev

Juraj Kubelka

28 Aug 28 Aug

3:31 p.m.

As I know there is no support for rotation. Jura El 28-08-2013, a las 5:46, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> escribió:

Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), but as there was no answer i repost it here . <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> M. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Alexandre Bergel

1 Sep 1 Sep

5:54 p.m.

Hi Martin, Sorry for the late reply. Currently, Roassal does not support such a feature. However you can get something close to. | view | view := ROView new. -15 to: 10 do: [ :i | view add: ((ROLabel verticalText interlineSpace: i) elementOn: 'hello world'). ]. ROHorizontalLineLayout on: view elements. view open In Roassal 1.422 Cheers, Alexandre On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:

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Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), but as there was no answer i repost it here . <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> M. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

9:15 p.m.

Hi, As you know, I like this effort. However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works. Cheers, Doru On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal. Consider: | view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png> Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png> If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces... how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. Look at the ROMatrixExample class Cheers, Alexandre On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:

Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), but as there was no answer i repost it here . <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> M. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

8:08 a.m.

Hi Juraj, It was not a criticism, but more of an encouragement :). Here is what I mean: Right now, we have a project that is exclusively dedicated to algorithms: Moose-Algos. It is small, and these algorithms can be easily used without anything else. In your case, RODependencyMatrixBuilder is packaged together with Roassal-specific code and it requires Roassal. So, the algorithm will not be used without Roassal. We should take care of this issue from the start, and package the algorithm separately. Cheers, Doru On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks. Cheers, Jura El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> escribió:

Hi, As you know, I like this effort. However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works. Cheers, Doru On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal. Consider: | view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png> Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png> If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces... how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. Look at the ROMatrixExample class Cheers, Alexandre On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:

Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), but as there was no answer i repost it here . <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> M. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Juraj Kubelka

9:44 p.m.

OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm. Cheers, Jura El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribió:

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On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka <Juraj.Kubelka(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.

What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef

Cheers, Jura El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> escribió:

Hi, As you know, I like this effort. However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works. Cheers, Doru On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal. Consider: | view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png> Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png> If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces... how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. Look at the ROMatrixExample class Cheers, Alexandre On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > Hi, > i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is > there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. > > I also asked this on Stackoverflow > (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), > but as there was no answer i repost it here . > > <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> > M. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html > Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Juraj Kubelka

10:04 p.m.

Good point, I will, thanks. Jura El 03-09-2013, a las 15:51, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> escribió:

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Great. But, I suggest that you keep an eye on a different approach, too: take a look at what exists now and see if you cannot already reuse or build on it :) Doru On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)gmail.com> wrote: OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm. Cheers, Jura El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribió:

On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka <Juraj.Kubelka(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.

What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef

Cheers, Jura El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> escribió:

Hi, As you know, I like this effort. However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works. Cheers, Doru On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? > Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal. > > Consider: > > | view builder | > view := ROView new. > builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. > builder model: (Array with: true with: false). > builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. > builder gapSize: 0. > > builder on: view. > view open > > <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png> > > Another example: > | view builder objects | > objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. > view := ROView new. > view @ RODraggable. > > builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. > builder model: objects. > " builder noVerticalShape." > builder dependency: #superclass. > builder gapSize: 0. > builder on: view. > view open > <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png> > > If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces... > > how to load Juraj's code: > Gofer new > smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; > package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; > load. > (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. > > Look at the ROMatrixExample class > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> Hi, >> i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is >> there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. >> >> I also asked this on Stackoverflow >> (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), >> but as there was no answer i repost it here . >> >> <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> >> M. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html >> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Juraj Kubelka

10:14 p.m.

El 03-09-2013, a las 15:52, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribió:

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On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Juraj Kubelka <Juraj.Kubelka(a)gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm.

ok but did you look into Moose-DSM because it was the second rewrite at least.

You are right, I have not spent much time to understand Moose-DSM. A bit while I was transforming visualisations from Mondrian to Roassal. I have not suppose a much correlation between my experiments and Moose-DSM. The intention is to create a easy to use framework for matrix representation. The same purpose as ROMondrianViewBuilder. It should be easy to build matrix while user define column and row axes and corresponding values for each column and row. And inside of each (x, y) cell can define another view. Cheers, Jura

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Cheers, Jura El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribió:

On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka <Juraj.Kubelka(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.

What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef

Cheers, Jura El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> escribió: > Hi, > > As you know, I like this effort. > > However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >> On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? >> Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal. >> >> Consider: >> >> | view builder | >> view := ROView new. >> builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. >> builder model: (Array with: true with: false). >> builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. >> builder gapSize: 0. >> >> builder on: view. >> view open >> >> <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png> >> >> Another example: >> | view builder objects | >> objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. >> view := ROView new. >> view @ RODraggable. >> >> builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. >> builder model: objects. >> " builder noVerticalShape." >> builder dependency: #superclass. >> builder gapSize: 0. >> builder on: view. >> view open >> <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png> >> >> If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces... >> >> how to load Juraj's code: >> Gofer new >> smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; >> package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; >> load. >> (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. >> >> Look at the ROMatrixExample class >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is >>> there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. >>> >>> I also asked this on Stackoverflow >>> (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with…), >>> but as there was no answer i repost it here . >>> >>> <http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png> >>> M. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html >>> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

9:49 p.m.

Great. Do you already have working examples? Let's try to coordinate and work together :). Doru On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:45 PM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:

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On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.

Thank you. I was indeed looking for a possibility to draw a DSM with Roassal. Juraj's work looks very nice. I experimented to visualize the relationship between Test Cases and their respective Methods Under Test (using your Spy framework btw.). Martin. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387p470… Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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