19 Sep
2011
19 Sep
'11
9:36 a.m.
Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
19 Sep
19 Sep
11:07 a.m.
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not
even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to
have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in
his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate
the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But,
then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know
if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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11:36 a.m.
Time is the key issue.
I spent some time during my holidays working on metrics.
Since I needed some of them, I started to look how they could be expressed in MooseChef
(my goal would be to drop MooseCook, which has far too many methods to my taste)
Anyway, I did a bit of work, but since I am back, I did not even find the time to commit
it in Monticello ! :-(
(same thing with the small XML issue I reported in august)
Very stupid situation and very sad
nicolas
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Objet: [Moose-dev] Re: Moose community call
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not
allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which
actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more
comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure.
Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and
collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread
knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and
things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in
no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still
working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of
common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was
developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others
efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and
seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian,
but these kind of collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on
actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do
you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than
Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo
easily) or we do something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the
table because there is little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean
than nobody can learn from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two
evenings on it for a month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially
right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new
postdoc for moose and without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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1:13 p.m.
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is
not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that
many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in
this direction.
Yes. And your book is important.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the
infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and
collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only
if people work with me.
I will work on CAnalyzer. I started to make it up to date. I will continue next week.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Hey! Working on Moose involves plenty of other things than commenting the core. I work
more than 2h / week on Moose, however little coding on the core. Moose is used in my
lectures. Angel's postdoc did not come up from nothing. More grants will come soon.
I will revive CAnalyzer because of a case study we have to do here. I have no problem at
commenting uncommented things that I use for this.
Alexandre
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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Hi Alex,
On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:13, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
It seems that there was a misunderstanding :)I did not say 2h for commenting and I was
certainly not trying to diminish your efforts. I said 2 hours for investing in the
infrastructure that goes beyond Mondrian (although it is already great to know that
Mondrian is taken care of :)).
It is important to make transparent what people are willing to invest and then we do it.
That is all.
In particular we need to work together to form a coherent image of the inner architecture
of Moose. I mean, I have an idea of what I want it to be, but I would like to get more
people around it so that we can spread the knowledge and limit the truck factor.
Btw, welcome Angel :).
Please,
let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even
problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have
more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction.
Yes. And your book is important.
However, the main issue is collaboration around
the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and
collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only
if people work with me.
I will work on CAnalyzer. I started to make it up to date. I will continue next week.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Hey! Working on Moose involves plenty of other things than commenting the core. I work
more than 2h / week on Moose, however little coding on the core. Moose is used in my
lectures. Angel's postdoc did not come up from nothing. More grants will come soon.
I will revive CAnalyzer because of a case study we
have to do here. I have no problem at commenting uncommented things that I use for this.
CAnalyzer is welcome. It would be great to have a step-by-step instructions of how to use
it on different platforms (right now, it is difficult to figure it out).
Cheers,
Doru
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I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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1:53 p.m.
On 19 sept. 2011, at 11:07, Tudor Girba wrote:
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Right now, I don't have the time nor the energy to focus on Moose core until we (in my
company) have some tangible projects to work with. I'm still in the process of
scouting around to see what kind of ideas raise some interest (not just the
"that's cool" interest, more like "let's go in this
direction", which is more difficult to achieve).
--
Simon Denier
2:02 p.m.
Hi Simon,
On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:53, Simon Denier wrote:
On 19 sept. 2011, at 11:07, Tudor Girba wrote:
This is perfectly understandable. It's just that we need to make it clear who can do
things at any moment :). I am happy that you are still pushing for Moose. Let us know if
there is anything we can do to improve the situation.
Cheers,
Doru
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Right now, I don't have the time nor the energy to focus on Moose core until we (in
my company) have some tangible projects to work with. I'm still in the process of
scouting around to see what kind of ideas raise some interest (not just the
"that's cool" interest, more like "let's go in this
direction", which is more difficult to achieve).
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2:49 p.m.
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is
not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that
many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in
this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
ok count me in
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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3:17 p.m.
Hello all,
For now, I didn't not contribute anything big to moose except that:
- VerveineSharp that parses most of the C# language entities (I need to
create a page for that)
- some metrics for a paper
- famix exporter (with stef)...
But now the situation has changed as we are working on doing some industrial
projects with moose which requires a deep understanding of technologies
around moose and its infrastructure ... so now:
1. I need to work on Famix and fame to understand the infrastructure ...
2. I'll need to work on glmaour/mondrian because we need to prepare
something for a pilot project ...
3. we need to do other industrial projects ..
from now on, most of my time will be spent around moose... I'll be slow in
the beginning as I am not so proficient in smalltalk but i hope that wont
last for long ...
Usman
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr
wrote:
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue
is not
allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are
not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would
welcome any effort in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure.
Everyone is
working in his own corner with very little integration and
collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge
around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and
things
improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in
no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still
working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of
common goals,
but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed
by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right
now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things
work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but
these kind
of collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on
actually working
on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
ok count me in
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you
have the
time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I
certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi moosers
>
> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
> Why because the comments are not good.
>
> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo
easily) or
we do something
>
> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table
because
there is little use
> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if
the core is not clean than
nobody can learn from it).
>
>
> So
> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two
evenings
on it for a month).
>
> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these
two
>
> allPropertySelectors
> is used
> allDeclaredProperties
> is used
>
> FamixCore class comments
>
> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially
right
now).
>
> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc
for
moose and without a community effort
I do not
see the point.
Stef
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We will help you.
don't forget to read the chapter
glamour
petit parser
Stef
On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
Hello all,
For now, I didn't not contribute anything big to moose except that:
- VerveineSharp that parses most of the C# language entities (I need to create a page for
that)
- some metrics for a paper
- famix exporter (with stef)...
But now the situation has changed as we are working on doing some industrial projects
with moose which requires a deep understanding of technologies around moose and its
infrastructure ... so now:
1. I need to work on Famix and fame to understand the infrastructure ...
2. I'll need to work on glmaour/mondrian because we need to prepare something for a
pilot project ...
3. we need to do other industrial projects ..
from now on, most of my time will be spent around moose... I'll be slow in the
beginning as I am not so proficient in smalltalk but i hope that wont last for long ...
Usman
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>
wrote:
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue
is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not
that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort
in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
ok count me in
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for
a month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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20 Sep
8:40 p.m.
Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon.
If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is
not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that
many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in
this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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9:24 p.m.
yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix some moose tasks.
Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into
moose.
- the one that shows incoming and outgoing references
- comment better the class
- I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package:
- fix the property....
So fixing these ones would be good.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote:
Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon.
If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue
is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not
that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort
in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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9:50 p.m.
Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks.
Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and
then ask questions if problems arise.
I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care.
In case you have doubts, let us discuss.
Cheers,
Doru
On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix
some moose tasks.
Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into
moose.
- the one that shows incoming and outgoing references
- comment better the class
- I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package:
- fix the property....
So fixing these ones would be good.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Quality cannot be an afterthought."
Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon.
If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
_______________________________________________
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue
is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not
that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort
in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi moosers
I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
Why because the comments are not good.
Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is
little use
we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn
from it).
So
Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a
month).
Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
allPropertySelectors
is used
allDeclaredProperties
is used
FamixCore class comments
Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and
without a community effort
I do not see the point.
Stef
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21 Sep
21 Sep
8:56 a.m.
yes but a priority list and focus is important.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks.
Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and
then ask questions if problems arise.
I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care.
In case you have doubts, let us discuss.
Cheers,
Doru
On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to
fix some moose tasks.
Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into
moose.
- the one that shows incoming and outgoing references
- comment better the class
- I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package:
- fix the property....
So fixing these ones would be good.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Quality cannot be an afterthought."
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon.
If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
_______________________________________________
Moose-dev mailing list
Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue
is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not
that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort
in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi moosers
>
> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
> Why because the comments are not good.
>
> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
>
> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there
is little use
> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can
learn from it).
>
>
> So
> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for
a month).
>
> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
>
> allPropertySelectors
> is used
> allDeclaredProperties
> is used
>
> FamixCore class comments
>
> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
>
> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose
and without a community effort
> I do not see the point.
>
> Stef
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moose-dev mailing list
> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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10:39 a.m.
I'm in too, this week away for a workshop in Milano but starting from next week i will
start to regularrily allocate time to the Moose Core. I will check the tracker too as you
suggested to Jannik.
Cheers,
Fabrizio
On 21 Sep 2011, at 08:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
yes but a priority list and focus is important.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks.
Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and
then ask questions if problems arise.
I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care.
In case you have doubts, let us discuss.
Cheers,
Doru
On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
_______________________________________________
Moose-dev mailing list
Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to
fix some moose tasks.
Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into
moose.
- the one that shows incoming and outgoing references
- comment better the class
- I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package:
- fix the property....
So fixing these ones would be good.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Quality cannot be an afterthought."
_______________________________________________
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon.
If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and
not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed
to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction.
>
> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is
working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
>
> We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
>
> The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but
it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and
on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining
core and seeing that things work with each other.
>
> I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
>
> So, here is a proposal:
> Who wants to join the core team?
>
> Right now we have:
> • Stef
> • Me
> • Simon
> • Alex
>
> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on
the infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
>
> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the
time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will
continue.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi moosers
>>
>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
>> Why because the comments are not good.
>>
>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we
do something
>>
>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because
there is little use
>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody
can learn from it).
>>
>>
>> So
>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it
for a month).
>>
>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
>>
>> allPropertySelectors
>> is used
>> allDeclaredProperties
>> is used
>>
>> FamixCore class comments
>>
>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
>>
>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for
moose and without a community effort
>> I do not see the point.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moose-dev mailing list
>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
>
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> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
>
>
>
>
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9:36 a.m.
Hi Doru,
I know the bug tracker :), and I will use it.
My question was because there is no priority on the issues.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 20, 2011, at 21:50 , Tudor Girba wrote:
Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks.
Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and
then ask questions if problems arise.
I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care.
In case you have doubts, let us discuss.
Cheers,
Doru
On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to
fix some moose tasks.
Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into
moose.
- the one that shows incoming and outgoing references
- comment better the class
- I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package:
- fix the property....
So fixing these ones would be good.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Quality cannot be an afterthought."
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon.
If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday.
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
_______________________________________________
Moose-dev mailing list
Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue
is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not
that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort
in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working
in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can
coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me.
We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved.
But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even
know if someone is still working on Moose-something.
The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it
was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on
building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core
and seeing that things work with each other.
I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of
collaborations should be broader.
So, here is a proposal:
Who wants to join the core team?
Right now we have:
• Stef
• Me
• Simon
• Alex
Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the
infrastructure, and on cleaning it.
Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to
do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi moosers
>
> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose?
> Why because the comments are not good.
>
> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do
something
>
> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there
is little use
> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can
learn from it).
>
>
> So
> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for
a month).
>
> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two
>
> allPropertySelectors
> is used
> allDeclaredProperties
> is used
>
> FamixCore class comments
>
> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now).
>
> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose
and without a community effort
> I do not see the point.
>
> Stef
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moose-dev mailing list
> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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