5:48 p.m.
Hello!
I'm wondering if it's in the scope of Moose to get to the standard CK
metrics for a model? It seems it's been done experimentally (
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb2/14ec7c6288dc13564580beafc2609b09118...)
and I also found the momfe paper from 2002 (
http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/projects/Bute02a.pdf) but appeared not to have
all the CK metrics.
I also found the right-click on a Moose Model -> Export -> Export model to
MSE, but there was nothing that looked like standard CK metrics in the
exported file.
We are particularly trying to generate CBO (for a research comparison) for
a few classes and would like to be able to do all our work in Moose if
possible (especially with the visualizations in a RTView).
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other
people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods"
section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose),
but those projects which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic
Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC, DIT, CBO, etc . I want to see what and
how people reports metrics for a software project using Moose. If
publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering
field that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
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8:04 p.m.
Hi Cris,
Indeed, CK Metrics should be one-click away from a Moose Model.
I have just implemented many of the CK metrics in the latest version of Moose (I updated
Famix-Extensions in fact).
Is this what you had in Mind?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Cris Fuhrman
<fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
I'm wondering if it's in the scope of Moose to get to the standard CK metrics for
a model? It seems it's been done experimentally
(https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb2/14ec7c6288dc13564580beafc2609b09118...) and I
also found the momfe paper from 2002 (http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/projects/Bute02a.pdf)
but appeared not to have all the CK metrics.
I also found the right-click on a Moose Model -> Export -> Export model to MSE, but
there was nothing that looked like standard CK metrics in the exported file.
We are particularly trying to generate CBO (for a research comparison) for a few classes
and would like to be able to do all our work in Moose if possible (especially with the
visualizations in a RTView).
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses
Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose), but those
projects which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC,
DIT, CBO, etc . I want to see what and how people reports metrics for a software project
using Moose. If publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering
field that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
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9:30 p.m.
Hi Alexandre,
The CK Metric I am looking for is CBO (Coupling Between Object Classes) for
a class. The entire CK metrics suite was proposed in 1994 and several
measures are controversial in OO software (read more here:
http://www.virtualmachinery.com/sidebar3.htm). So, thinking about my first
request for "CK metrics", it might be hard to decide how to implement all
of these for a general case that is FAMIX.
Looking more into what's in MOOSE, I see that CBO for a class can be
estimated as CBO <= fanIn + fanOut. The "true" CK CBO value should not
count an afferent and efferent link twice if it is to/from the same class
(it's why I use <= in the estimation). See more at
http://stackoverflow.com/a/29877357/1168342 -- I think CBO defined this way
would be easy to calculate for a FAMIX class, but I didn't look at fanIn
and fanOut yet to see when/how/where they're calculated.
I'm not sure how many people would want to see CBO in MOOSE. We're doing
studies involving fault/change proneness, and CBO has been used as a
measure quite often in published research in that area. It's why it would
be useful to us.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
wrote:
Hi Cris,
Indeed, CK Metrics should be one-click away from a Moose Model.
I have just implemented many of the CK metrics in the latest version of
Moose (I updated Famix-Extensions in fact).
Is this what you had in Mind?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
I'm wondering if it's in the scope of Moose to get to the standard CK
metrics for a model? It seems it's been done experimentally (
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb2/14ec7c6288dc13564580beafc2609b
09118b.pdf) and I also found the momfe paper from 2002 (
http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/projects/Bute02a.pdf) but appeared not to
have all the CK metrics.
I also found the right-click on a Moose Model -> Export -> Export model to
MSE, but there was nothing that looked like standard CK metrics in the
exported file.
We are particularly trying to generate CBO (for a research comparison) for
a few classes and would like to be able to do all our work in Moose if
possible (especially with the visualizations in a RTView).
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other
people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods"
section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose),
but those projects which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic
Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC, DIT, CBO, etc . I want to see what and
how people reports metrics for a software project using Moose. If
publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering
field that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
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Hi Cris,
You should look at the implementation of Andre Hora of some various metrics here:
http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~andrehora/SoftEngMetrics/
It was working on Moose5.0, so it is possible that there is some adaptations to make for
the latest version of Moose.
Cheers,
Vincent
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À : Moose-related development
Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of projects using
Moose?)
Hi Alexandre,
The CK Metric I am looking for is CBO (Coupling Between Object Classes) for a class. The
entire CK metrics suite was proposed in 1994 and several measures are controversial in OO
software (read more here: http://www.virtualmachinery.com/sidebar3.htm). So, thinking
about my first request for "CK metrics", it might be hard to decide how to
implement all of these for a general case that is FAMIX.
Looking more into what's in MOOSE, I see that CBO for a class can be estimated as CBO
<= fanIn + fanOut. The "true" CK CBO value should not count an afferent and
efferent link twice if it is to/from the same class (it's why I use <= in the
estimation). See more at http://stackoverflow.com/a/29877357/1168342 -- I think CBO
defined this way would be easy to calculate for a FAMIX class, but I didn't look at
fanIn and fanOut yet to see when/how/where they're calculated.
I'm not sure how many people would want to see CBO in MOOSE. We're doing studies
involving fault/change proneness, and CBO has been used as a measure quite often in
published research in that area. It's why it would be useful to us.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Alexandre Bergel
<alexandre.bergel@me.com<mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:
Hi Cris,
Indeed, CK Metrics should be one-click away from a Moose Model.
I have just implemented many of the CK metrics in the latest version of Moose (I updated
Famix-Extensions in fact).
[cid:F0DE6FBF-C7D5-45CB-8A19-79B32FF7A2C1@iptv.microsoft.com]
Is this what you had in Mind?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Cris Fuhrman
<fuhrmanator@gmail.com<mailto:fuhrmanator@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello!
I'm wondering if it's in the scope of Moose to get to the standard CK metrics for
a model? It seems it's been done experimentally
(https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb2/14ec7c6288dc13564580beafc2609b09118...) and I
also found the momfe paper from 2002 (http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/projects/Bute02a.pdf)
but appeared not to have all the CK metrics.
I also found the right-click on a Moose Model -> Export -> Export model to MSE, but
there was nothing that looked like standard CK metrics in the exported file.
We are particularly trying to generate CBO (for a research comparison) for a few classes
and would like to be able to do all our work in Moose if possible (especially with the
visualizations in a RTView).
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand
<hernan.morales@gmail.com<mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses
Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose), but those projects
which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC, DIT, CBO,
etc . I want to see what and how people reports metrics for a software project using
Moose. If publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering field
that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
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5:35 p.m.
Thanks Vincent! That looks promising (BTW I've yet to use Monticello, so
I'm playing catch-up for now). Cheers!
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Blondeau Vincent <
vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote:
Hi Cris,
You should look at the implementation of Andre Hora of some various
metrics here: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~andrehora/SoftEngMetrics/
It was working on Moose5.0, so it is possible that there is some
adaptations to make for the latest version of Moose.
Cheers,
Vincent
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De : Moose-dev [moose-dev-bounces(a)list.inf.unibe.ch] de la part de Cris
Fuhrman [fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com]
Date d'envoi : lundi 20 février 2017 21:30
À : Moose-related development
Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of
projects using Moose?)
Hi Alexandre,
The CK Metric I am looking for is CBO (Coupling Between Object Classes)
for a class. The entire CK metrics suite was proposed in 1994 and several
measures are controversial in OO software (read more here:
http://www.virtualmachinery.com/sidebar3.htm). So, thinking about my
first request for "CK metrics", it might be hard to decide how to implement
all of these for a general case that is FAMIX.
Looking more into what's in MOOSE, I see that CBO for a class can be
estimated as CBO <= fanIn + fanOut. The "true" CK CBO value should not
count an afferent and efferent link twice if it is to/from the same class
(it's why I use <= in the estimation). See more at
http://stackoverflow.com/a/29877357/1168342 -- I think CBO defined this
way would be easy to calculate for a FAMIX class, but I didn't look at
fanIn and fanOut yet to see when/how/where they're calculated.
I'm not sure how many people would want to see CBO in MOOSE. We're doing
studies involving fault/change proneness, and CBO has been used as a
measure quite often in published research in that area. It's why it would
be useful to us.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com
<mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:
Hi Cris,
Indeed, CK Metrics should be one-click away from a Moose Model.
I have just implemented many of the CK metrics in the latest version of
Moose (I updated Famix-Extensions in fact).
[cid:F0DE6FBF-C7D5-45CB-8A19-79B32FF7A2C1@iptv.microsoft.com]
Is this what you had in Mind?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com<mailto:
fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello!
I'm wondering if it's in the scope of Moose to get to the standard CK
metrics for a model? It seems it's been done experimentally (
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb2/14ec7c6288dc13564580beafc2609b
09118b.pdf) and I also found the momfe paper from 2002 (
http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/projects/Bute02a.pdf) but appeared not to
have all the CK metrics.
I also found the right-click on a Moose Model -> Export -> Export model to
MSE, but there was nothing that looked like standard CK metrics in the
exported file.
We are particularly trying to generate CBO (for a research comparison) for
a few classes and would like to be able to do all our work in Moose if
possible (especially with the visualizations in a RTView).
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
hernan.morales@gmail.com<mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other
people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods"
section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose),
but those projects which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic
Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC, DIT, CBO, etc . I want to see what and
how people reports metrics for a software project using Moose. If
publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering
field that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
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Cris, let us know how it goes
Alexandre
On Feb 21, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Cris Fuhrman
<fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Vincent! That looks promising (BTW I've yet to use Monticello, so I'm
playing catch-up for now). Cheers!
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>
wrote:
Hi Cris,
You should look at the implementation of Andre Hora of some various metrics here:
http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~andrehora/SoftEngMetrics/
It was working on Moose5.0, so it is possible that there is some adaptations to make for
the latest version of Moose.
Cheers,
Vincent
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À : Moose-related development
Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of projects using
Moose?)
Hi Alexandre,
The CK Metric I am looking for is CBO (Coupling Between Object Classes) for a class. The
entire CK metrics suite was proposed in 1994 and several measures are controversial in OO
software (read more here: http://www.virtualmachinery.com/sidebar3.htm). So, thinking
about my first request for "CK metrics", it might be hard to decide how to
implement all of these for a general case that is FAMIX.
Looking more into what's in MOOSE, I see that CBO for a class can be estimated as CBO
<= fanIn + fanOut. The "true" CK CBO value should not count an afferent and
efferent link twice if it is to/from the same class (it's why I use <= in the
estimation). See more at http://stackoverflow.com/a/29877357/1168342 -- I think CBO
defined this way would be easy to calculate for a FAMIX class, but I didn't look at
fanIn and fanOut yet to see when/how/where they're calculated.
I'm not sure how many people would want to see CBO in MOOSE. We're doing studies
involving fault/change proneness, and CBO has been used as a measure quite often in
published research in that area. It's why it would be useful to us.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Alexandre Bergel
<alexandre.bergel@me.com<mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:
Hi Cris,
Indeed, CK Metrics should be one-click away from a Moose Model.
I have just implemented many of the CK metrics in the latest version of Moose (I updated
Famix-Extensions in fact).
[cid:F0DE6FBF-C7D5-45CB-8A19-79B32FF7A2C1@iptv.microsoft.com]
Is this what you had in Mind?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Cris Fuhrman
<fuhrmanator@gmail.com<mailto:fuhrmanator@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello!
I'm wondering if it's in the scope of Moose to get to the standard CK metrics for
a model? It seems it's been done experimentally
(https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb2/14ec7c6288dc13564580beafc2609b09118...) and I
also found the momfe paper from 2002 (http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/projects/Bute02a.pdf)
but appeared not to have all the CK metrics.
I also found the right-click on a Moose Model -> Export -> Export model to MSE, but
there was nothing that looked like standard CK metrics in the exported file.
We are particularly trying to generate CBO (for a research comparison) for a few classes
and would like to be able to do all our work in Moose if possible (especially with the
visualizations in a RTView).
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand
<hernan.morales@gmail.com<mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses
Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose), but those
projects which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC,
DIT, CBO, etc . I want to see what and how people reports metrics for a software project
using Moose. If publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering
field that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
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9:52 p.m.
OK, I was able to display in a visualization (RTLabel) the
couplingBetweenClasses metric for the FAMIX class.
- This link got me started with using Monticello:
http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/book/PharoTools/Monticello/ (there's a
PDF chapter that has the details).
- I added the repository with the "+Repository" button and the
Monticello registration info from the smalltalk hub site.
- I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically changed on
recompilation.
- Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I selected each
repository package in Monticello, clicked the latest version,
then clicked
the Load button.
- I used the System Browser to navigate to the package and see the added
methods (some exploratory clicking got me there...):
[image: Inline image 1]
As for the CBO (couplingBetweenClasses) metric, it seems way off (at least
with my comparisons with fanIn and fanOut, but I didn't verify their values
either!). I will follow up here if I nail down the inconsistency.
These packages are a useful place to start. Thanks again for the help,
C. Fuhrman
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
wrote:
Cris, let us know how it goes
Alexandre
4:01 p.m.
You need to define a configuration.
For for Metacello. The Versioner tool offers a nice UI for this.
Alexandre
On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Cris Fuhrman
<fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com> wrote:
• I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically changed on recompilation.
• Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I selected each repository package in
Monticello, clicked the latest version, then clicked the Load button.
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4:11 p.m.
Hi,
There was a configuration, I had created it.
You can load it by executing:
Metacello new
smalltalkhubUser: 'andrehora' project: 'SoftEngMetrics';
configuration: 'SoftEngMetrics';
version: #development;
load.
It should be easier like that.
If you load the packages by hand, you have to be sure that their dependencies are
satisfied. Else, some packages may be not fully loaded.
And, as said by Alex, for your current project, you can use Versionner to package it and
to define its dependencies (especially to SoftEngMetrics ;) ).
Cheers,
Vincent
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Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of
projects using Moose?)
You need to define a configuration.
For for Metacello. The Versioner tool offers a nice UI for this.
Alexandre
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> • I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically changed
on recompilation.
> • Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I selected each
repository package in Monticello, clicked the latest version, then clicked the
Load button.
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The Metacello config works perfectly (after I unloaded the manually loaded
config).
The CBO values still look odd for my Moose 6 models of ArgoUML (::util
package) compared to fanIn/fanOut, but I might be missing something.
When I expanded my use to all of ArgoUML, the couplingBetweenClasses
message crashes on one class with an undefined object inside of
MooseObjectQueryResult >> withoutSelfLoops. This might because of Moose 6
changes, as Vincent mentioned earlier. I'll maybe debug if I have more time
later. I will see if I can find a student that wants to work on improving
the CK suite (the basic tests are are there).
Thanks again for all the help!
C. Fuhrman
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Blondeau Vincent <
vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote:
Hi,
There was a configuration, I had created it.
You can load it by executing:
Metacello new
smalltalkhubUser: 'andrehora' project: 'SoftEngMetrics';
configuration: 'SoftEngMetrics';
version: #development;
load.
It should be easier like that.
If you load the packages by hand, you have to be sure that their
dependencies are satisfied. Else, some packages may be not fully loaded.
And, as said by Alex, for your current project, you can use Versionner to
package it and to define its dependencies (especially to SoftEngMetrics ;)
).
Cheers,
Vincent
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> Alexandre Bergel
> Envoyé : mercredi 22 février 2017 16:02
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> Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of
> projects using Moose?)
>
> You need to define a configuration.
> For for Metacello. The Versioner tool offers a nice UI for this.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > • I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically changed
> on recompilation.
> > • Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I selected
each
> repository package in Monticello, clicked the latest version, then
clicked the
> Load button.
>
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I tried to use the SoftEngMetrics project, and many tests are red. I had a brief look, it
seems that Moose has evolved but that project not.
I was not aware at all of this project. What about having a kind of plugin mechanism for
Moose? I have one for Roassal where external contribution may be loaded with just one
click.
Just an idea.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Blondeau Vincent
<vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote:
Hi,
There was a configuration, I had created it.
You can load it by executing:
Metacello new
smalltalkhubUser: 'andrehora' project: 'SoftEngMetrics';
configuration: 'SoftEngMetrics';
version: #development;
load.
It should be easier like that.
If you load the packages by hand, you have to be sure that their dependencies are
satisfied. Else, some packages may be not fully loaded.
And, as said by Alex, for your current project, you can use Versionner to package it and
to define its dependencies (especially to SoftEngMetrics ;) ).
Cheers,
Vincent
> -----Message d'origine-----
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> Alexandre Bergel
> Envoyé : mercredi 22 février 2017 16:02
> À : Moose-related development
> Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of
> projects using Moose?)
>
> You need to define a configuration.
> For for Metacello. The Versioner tool offers a nice UI for this.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> • I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically changed
> on recompilation.
>> • Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I selected each
> repository package in Monticello, clicked the latest version, then clicked the
> Load button.
>
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3:41 p.m.
So, some work is needed for the migration..
@Alex: there is no plugin mechanism in Moose and settle one up can be complex: each
library has its own dependencies to eventual external projects. They are rarely in a
standalone mode.
I think the best thing that we can do is to register this kind of Moose projects in the
catalog with a Moose tag: http://catalog.pharo.org/catalog/tags/moose.
Cheers,
Vincent
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Alexandre Bergel
Envoyé : mercredi 22 février 2017 23:41
À : Moose-related development
Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of
projects using Moose?)
I tried to use the SoftEngMetrics project, and many tests are red. I had a brief
look, it seems that Moose has evolved but that project not.
I was not aware at all of this project. What about having a kind of plugin
mechanism for Moose? I have one for Roassal where external contribution
may be loaded with just one click.
Just an idea.
Cheers,
Alexandre
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Blondeau Vincent
<vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There was a configuration, I had created it.
> You can load it by executing:
>
> Metacello new
> smalltalkhubUser: 'andrehora' project: 'SoftEngMetrics';
> configuration: 'SoftEngMetrics';
> version: #development;
> load.
>
> It should be easier like that.
> If you load the packages by hand, you have to be sure that their
dependencies are satisfied. Else, some packages may be not fully loaded.
>
> And, as said by Alex, for your current project, you can use Versionner to
package it and to define its dependencies (especially to SoftEngMetrics ;) ).
>
> Cheers,
> Vincent
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la
>> part de Alexandre Bergel Envoyé : mercredi 22 février 2017 16:02 À :
>> Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from
>> Moose? (was Re: Publications of projects using Moose?)
>>
>> You need to define a configuration.
>> For for Metacello. The Versioner tool offers a nice UI for this.
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> • I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically
>>> changed
>> on recompilation.
>>> • Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I
>>> selected each
>> repository package in Monticello, clicked the latest version, then
>> clicked the Load button.
>>
>> --
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4:18 p.m.
@Alex: there is no plugin mechanism in Moose and settle one up can be
complex: each library has its own dependencies to eventual external projects. They are
rarely in a standalone mode.
I think the best thing that we can do is to register this kind of Moose projects in the
catalog with a Moose tag: http://catalog.pharo.org/catalog/tags/moose.
Could be…
But I rarely check on the catalog whether there are some new projects related to Moose.
However, if there is a plugin menu, but knowing about new projects is easy.
Alexandre
Cheers,
Vincent
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> Alexandre Bergel
> Envoyé : mercredi 22 février 2017 23:41
> À : Moose-related development
> Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from Moose? (was Re: Publications of
> projects using Moose?)
>
> I tried to use the SoftEngMetrics project, and many tests are red. I had a brief
> look, it seems that Moose has evolved but that project not.
>
> I was not aware at all of this project. What about having a kind of plugin
> mechanism for Moose? I have one for Roassal where external contribution
> may be loaded with just one click.
> Just an idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Blondeau Vincent
> <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There was a configuration, I had created it.
>> You can load it by executing:
>>
>> Metacello new
>> smalltalkhubUser: 'andrehora' project: 'SoftEngMetrics';
>> configuration: 'SoftEngMetrics';
>> version: #development;
>> load.
>>
>> It should be easier like that.
>> If you load the packages by hand, you have to be sure that their
> dependencies are satisfied. Else, some packages may be not fully loaded.
>>
>> And, as said by Alex, for your current project, you can use Versionner to
> package it and to define its dependencies (especially to SoftEngMetrics ;) ).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Vincent
>>
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>>> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la
>>> part de Alexandre Bergel Envoyé : mercredi 22 février 2017 16:02 À :
>>> Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: CK metrics from
>>> Moose? (was Re: Publications of projects using Moose?)
>>>
>>> You need to define a configuration.
>>> For for Metacello. The Versioner tool offers a nice UI for this.
>>>
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> • I loaded all the packages (!) and some were automatically
>>>> changed
>>> on recompilation.
>>>> • Is there a way to do this with less clicking? I
>>>> selected each
>>> repository package in Monticello, clicked the latest version, then
>>> clicked the Load button.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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