Hi Johan Glad to hear that (I also would be glad to host a video of aspectmaps on the moose website ;))

Did you try to install Moose through Monticello? Is it really slow from Chile right now? It could be faster now with Metacello/Gofer improvement. An alternative way is to download the one-click beta5. Not the latest release, but recent enough I think. We never thought of the hudson server as a backup for ready-made moose, but why not. Anyway, the problem with hudson is actually not related to moose or pharo but to java. I don't know when it will be solved.

Hi Johan, I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image, thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point. As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing. Cheers, Alexandre

but johan if you use the nightly build you should complain that there are problems. Would you use the nightly build of mac os?

I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images but right now nightly builds are adventurous. Stef > > There is no 'latest version' image available on http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as well ... > > On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> Hi Johan, >> >> I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image, thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point. >> As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi, Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great. And I certainly appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest dev image to provide feedback. However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive. It keeps on crashing on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some daemontools-like process that spawns it back after a crash, but I have problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(. Cheers, Doru On 23 Mar 2010, at 21:23, Simon Denier wrote: > > On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> but johan if you use the nightly build you should complain that there are problems. >> Would you use the nightly build of mac os? > > Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server performs the same procedure that we do to load the latest development version. > >> >> I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images but right now >> nightly builds are adventurous. >> >> Stef >> >>> >>> There is no 'latest version' image available on http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as well ... >>> >>> On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Johan, >>>> >>>> I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image, thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point. >>>> As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Johan Fabry >>> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >>> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > Simon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, one might have better chances to win by moving slower." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi Doru You just need to create a script that greps to see if the process is there and not to start it in the background with &. You then put the script in your crontab. All the necessary environment variables need to be defined for the context of the script. You can even just kill and start it at a non critical time of the day. It is not complicated. The problem of crashing could be due lack of memory. Maybe you can start the process with more memory. Cheers, Orla On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great. > And I certainly appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest > dev image to provide feedback. > > However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive. > It keeps on crashing on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some > daemontools-like process that spawns it back after a crash, but I > have problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 23 Mar 2010, at 21:23, Simon Denier wrote: > >> >> On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> but johan if you use the nightly build you should complain that >>> there are problems. >>> Would you use the nightly build of mac os? >> >> Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server >> performs the same procedure that we do to load the latest >> development version. >> >>> >>> I think that in the future there will be probably a server to >>> certify and build images but right now >>> nightly builds are adventurous. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> >>>> There is no 'latest version' image available on http://www.moosetechnology.org/download >>>> I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not count, I want >>>> a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson >>>> without any problems. Now if there is another way to get a >>>> nightly build image I would be happy as well ... >>>> >>>> On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Johan, >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org >>>>> is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have >>>>> a read to use image, thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/ >>>>> download is probably a good starting point. >>>>> As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for >>>>> developing. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Johan Fabry >>>> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >>>> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of >>>> Chile >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> Simon >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

> It would be great to have these scripts online somewhere... I guess > the > seaside guys have a similar problem don't they? No, Pharo images usually don't crash. At least not that often as Hudson does :-) Hudson crashes all the time on my server too. I use daemontools as described in the Seaside book to keep it alive. There are various daemon watchers available that can restart your services so fast that you don't even notice they crashed. I guess that is standard procedure for many web application servers today. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

but johan if you use the nightly build you should complain that there are problems. Would you use the nightly build of mac os? I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images but right now nightly builds are adventurous.