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Santiago Vidal

20 May 2011 20 May '11

2:20 p.m.

2011/5/20 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>

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Hi, Please send these discussions on the moose-dev mailing list :). They are important for everyone. Cheers, Doru On 20 May 2011, at 14:17, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Great! I was thinking on a visitor too. The visitor should be used to

collect the data that is displayed in the canvas. On the other hand, all the Protovis declaration could be static for each kind of graphic that is generated by Mondrian. That is because in Protovis only a "mark" is specified for each kind of data. Anyway, I have to take a closer look of it.

I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are

those under the MOShape hierarchy. Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.

Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system

complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

Thanks! Cheers Santiago 2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> Hi Santiago, Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This

is cool. We will see if people start to complain.

I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a

bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.

Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore: - producing html files - being behind a seaside server I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First,

start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.

Doru, anything to add? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal

-- www.tudorgirba.com "One cannot do more than one can do."

-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal

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Alexandre Bergel

20 May 20 May

10:36 p.m.

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> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes.

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Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

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> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Then, edges will come into play. Cheers, Alexandre

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Thanks! Cheers Santiago 2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> Hi Santiago, Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain. I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code. Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore: - producing html files - being behind a seaside server I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server. Doru, anything to add? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal

-- www.tudorgirba.com "One cannot do more than one can do." -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Santiago Vidal

24 May 24 May

9:47 p.m.

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Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

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> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian

are those under the MOShape hierarchy. Yes.

Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario

of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization. Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a

system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components? Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Then, edges will come into play. Cheers, Alexandre

> Thanks! > Cheers > Santiago > > 2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > Hi Santiago, > > Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This

is cool. We will see if people start to complain.

> > I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it

a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.

> > Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore: > - producing html files > - being behind a seaside server > > I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers.

First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.

Tudor Girba

10:05 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi, Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. Cheers, Doru On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal <ComplexityExample.rar>_______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Alexandre Bergel

10:07 p.m.

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Strange, I can On 24 May 2011, at 16:05, Tudor Girba wrote:

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Hi, Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. Cheers, Doru On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

-- www.tudorgirba.com "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Stéphane Ducasse

10:50 p.m.

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install unarchiver. Stef On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:

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Hi, Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. Cheers, Doru On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

Santiago Vidal

25 May 25 May

12:48 a.m.

New subject: next steps

What about know? Santiago 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>

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install unarchiver. Stef On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:

Hi, Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. Cheers, Doru On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity

visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature.

> Cheers > Santiago > > 2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >>> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian

are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

> > Yes. > >> Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario

of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.

> > Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the

method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> >>> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a

system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

> > Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It

contains the following code:

> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > view shape rectangle > width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; > height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; > linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el |

sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses.

> view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. > view edgesFrom: #superclass. > view treeLayout > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as

protovis code.

> Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | > view nodes: ($a to: $z). > view gridLayout > ] > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Then, edges will come into play. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > >>> Thanks! >>> Cheers >>> Santiago >>> >>> 2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> >>> Hi Santiago, >>> >>> Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown.

This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.

>>> >>> I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with

it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.

>>> >>> Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore: >>> - producing html files >>> - being behind a seaside server >>> >>> I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers.

First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.

> > Doru, anything to add? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal -- www.tudorgirba.com "One cannot do more than one can do." -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Stéphane Ducasse

7:58 a.m.

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this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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What about know? Santiago 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> install unarchiver. Stef On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >

Santiago Vidal

12:59 p.m.

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Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities). 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>

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this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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Tudor Girba

1:08 p.m.

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This is great! Keep it up :) Cheers, Doru On 25 May 2011, at 12:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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Alexandre Bergel

5:45 p.m.

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Hi Santiago, This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-= With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap. Next, try to export a class blueprint. Cheers, Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Santiago Vidal

6:29 p.m.

New subject: next steps

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Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the

change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).

2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Alexandre Bergel

7:27 p.m.

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Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Santiago Vidal

26 May 26 May

2:09 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack ( http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

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Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an

example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,

Cheers 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Hi Santiago, This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-= With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap. Next, try to export a class blueprint. Cheers, Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the

change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).

2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Alexandre Bergel

2:48 p.m.

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Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Santiago Vidal

2:50 p.m.

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Yes, don't worry. I think that it could be working for Monday 2011/5/26 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

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Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes.

Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack ( http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results.

Cheers Santiago 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an

example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,

> Cheers > > 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > Hi Santiago, > > This is cool. You're on the right track! > Next steps, inner nodes. For example. > -=-=-=-=-=-= > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | > view nodes: (1 to: each). > view gridLayout ] > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap. > > Next, try to export a class blueprint. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made

the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).

2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote: > What about know? > Santiago > > 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > install unarchiver. > > Stef > > On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Alexandre Bergel

2:53 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Ok, excellent Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:50, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

Yes, don't worry. I think that it could be working for Monday 2011/5/26 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities). 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote: > What about know? > Santiago > > 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > install unarchiver. > > Stef > > On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

3:08 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi Santiago, Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout. It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting. Cheers, Doru On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

...

Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities). 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> this was for doru unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote: > What about know? > Santiago > > 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > install unarchiver. > > Stef > > On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."

Santiago Vidal

3:19 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Ok, thanks 2011/5/26 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>

...

Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes.

> Cheers > Santiago > > 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. > > Keep it going! > > Alexandre > > > On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an

example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,

>> Cheers >> >> 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >> Hi Santiago, >> >> This is cool. You're on the right track! >> Next steps, inner nodes. For example. >> -=-=-=-=-=-= >> view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | >> view nodes: (1 to: each). >> view gridLayout ] >> -=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap. >> >> Next, try to export a class blueprint. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote: >> >>> Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made

the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).

> > 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > this was for doru > > unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. > > On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> What about know? >> Santiago >> >> 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> install unarchiver. >> >> Stef >> >> On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Santiago Vidal

27 May 27 May

6:19 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: 1. Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. 2. Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago 2011/5/26 Santiago Vidal <santiago.a.vidal(a)gmail.com>

...

Ok, thanks 2011/5/26 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>

Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes.

example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,

the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).

>> >> 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> this was for doru >> >> unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. >> >> On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote: >> >>> What about know? >>> Santiago >>> >>> 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> install unarchiver. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> Ing. Santiago A. Vidal >> ISISTAN Research Institute >> UNICEN University >> Paraje Arroyo Seco >> Campus Universitario >> (B7001BBO) Tandil, >> Bs. As. - Argentina >> Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 >> Fax: 54 2293 439681 >> Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar >> http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Alexandre Bergel

6:22 p.m.

New subject: next steps

I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. Alexandre On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago 2011/5/26 Santiago Vidal <santiago.a.vidal(a)gmail.com> Ok, thanks 2011/5/26 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> Hi Santiago, Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout. It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting. Cheers, Doru On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works. Keep it going! Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Hi Santiago, This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-= With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap. Next, try to export a class blueprint. Cheers, Alexandre On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities). > > 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > this was for doru > > unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well. > > On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> What about know? >> Santiago >> >> 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> install unarchiver. >> >> Stef >> >> On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Johan Fabry

6:52 p.m.

New subject: next steps

I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

...

I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. Alexandre On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > What do you think is the best option? > Cheers > Santiago

-- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Santiago Vidal

7:02 p.m.

New subject: next steps

...

I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian

in Protovis.

Alexandre On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general

I have 2 options to work with protovis:

> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis

Layouts.

> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is

create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.

> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies

the creation of new layouts when they are needed.

> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file

could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.

> What do you think is the best option? > Cheers > Santiago

Tudor Girba

7:58 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi, You should go for both options. Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. Cheers, Doru On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

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Santiago Vidal

30 May 30 May

4:52 p.m.

New subject: next steps

...

I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop

behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.

2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle

interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?

On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > I feel we should opt for 2). > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding

Mondrian in Protovis.

> > Alexandre > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In

general I have 2 options to work with protovis:

>> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis

Layouts.

>> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is

create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.

>> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies

the creation of new layouts when they are needed.

>> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html

file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.

> What do you think is the best option? > Cheers > Santiago

Alexandre Bergel

5:04 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX. Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations. Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

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Santiago Vidal

5:12 p.m.

New subject: next steps

You should see this [image: InnerEdges.png] 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

...

Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes,

and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.

Cheers Santiago 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> Hi, You should go for both options. Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will

only work directly with Protovis.

Cheers, Doru On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop

behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.

> > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle

interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?

> > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding

Mondrian in Protovis.

> > > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In

general I have 2 options to work with protovis:

> >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis

Layouts.

> >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is

create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.

> >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it

implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.

> >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html

file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.

> What do you think is the best option? > Cheers > Santiago

-- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be

done."

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Alexandre Bergel

5:30 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line Cheers, Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

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Santiago Vidal

6:22 p.m.

New subject: next steps

...

Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line Cheers, Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:

You should see this <InnerEdges.png> 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I

the only one? I use Safari and OSX.

Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and

generate the visualizations.

Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner

nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.

> Cheers > Santiago > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > Hi, > > You should go for both options. > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will

only work directly with Protovis.

> > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop

behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.

> > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle

interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?

> > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding

Mondrian in Protovis.

> > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In

general I have 2 options to work with protovis:

> > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis

Layouts.

> > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That

is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.

> > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it

implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.

> > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html

file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.

> > >> What do you think is the best option? > > >> Cheers > > >> Santiago > > > > -- > > Johan Fabry > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > UNICEN University > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > Campus Universitario > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot

be done."

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Alexandre Bergel

7:58 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Does the edges and colors are properly displayed? Try to generate a class blueprint then Cheers, Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 12:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line Cheers, Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:

I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > I feel we should opt for 2). > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > Alexandre > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. >> What do you think is the best option? >> Cheers >> Santiago -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

8:26 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi, Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation? Cheers, Doru On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- www.tudorgirba.com "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will end up with a messy haircut."

Santiago Vidal

8:56 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Hi, Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly. Cheers, Santiago 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>

...

Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example

code:

view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not

see any edge.

An edge is a line Cheers, Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote: > You should see this > <InnerEdges.png> > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > Good start! > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am

I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.

> > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose

and generate the visualizations.

> > Alexandre > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner

nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.

> > Cheers > > Santiago > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > > Hi, > > > > You should go for both options. > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that

will only work directly with Protovis.

> > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag &

drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.

> > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle

interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?

> > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding

Mondrian in Protovis.

> > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In

general I have 2 options to work with protovis:

> > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of

Protovis Layouts.

> > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian.

That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.

> > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it

implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.

> > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated

html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.

> > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > > >> Cheers > > > >> Santiago > > > > > > -- > > > Johan Fabry > > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of

Chile

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > UNICEN University > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > Campus Universitario > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot

be done."

_______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal <protovisMondrian.zip>_______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Alexandre Bergel

8:59 p.m.

New subject: next steps

...

Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.

Ok, let us know Alexandre

...

2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> Hi, Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation? Cheers, Doru On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> Hi, You should go for both options. Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. Cheers, Doru On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > >> What do you think is the best option? > >> Cheers > >> Santiago > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal <protovisMondrian.zip>_______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Santiago Vidal

10:03 p.m.

New subject: next steps

I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

...

Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is

because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly. Ok, let us know Alexandre

2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> Hi, Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag

together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?

Cheers, Doru On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example

code:

> view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | > view nodes: (1 to: each). > view gridLayout ] > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do

not see any edge.

> An edge is a line > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > You should see this > > <InnerEdges.png> > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > > Good start! > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge.

Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.

> > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose

and generate the visualizations.

> > > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner

nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.

> > > Cheers > > > Santiago > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > > > Hi, > > > > > > You should go for both options. > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that

will only work directly with Protovis.

> > > > > > Cheers, > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag &

drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.

> > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to

handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?

> > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding

Mondrian in Protovis.

> > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes.

In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:

> > > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of

Protovis Layouts.

> > > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian.

That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.

> > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it

implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.

> > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated

html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.

> > > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > > > >> Cheers > > > > >> Santiago > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Johan Fabry > > > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of

Chile

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > UNICEN University > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > -- > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it

cannot be done."

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10:09 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Looks good. Edges now Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:

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I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

Ok, let us know Alexandre

You should see this <InnerEdges.png> 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX. Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations. Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. > Cheers > Santiago > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > Hi, > > You should go for both options. > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > >> Cheers > > >> Santiago > > > > -- > > Johan Fabry > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > UNICEN University > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > Campus Universitario > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done." > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > <protovisMondrian.zip>_______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

10:09 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Cool! :) Cheers, Doru On 30 May 2011, at 22:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

Ok, let us know Alexandre

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24 May 24 May

10:09 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Excellent start :-) The edge extremities are not where they should Alexandre On 24 May 2011, at 15:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:

...

> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

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Tudor Girba

10:19 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Pretty cool :) Cheers, Doru On 24 May 2011, at 22:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

...

Excellent start :-) The edge extremities are not where they should Alexandre On 24 May 2011, at 15:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

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Santiago Vidal

10:29 p.m.

New subject: next steps

Ok, I'm going to change that 2011/5/24 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>

...

Excellent start :-) The edge extremities are not where they should Alexandre On 24 May 2011, at 15:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:

Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity

visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature.

Cheers Santiago 2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > > I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian

are those under the MOShape hierarchy.

Yes. > Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario

of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.

Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method

exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.

> > Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a

system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?

Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It

contains the following code:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el |

sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses.

view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as

protovis code.

Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Then, edges will come into play. Cheers, Alexandre > > Thanks! > > Cheers > > Santiago > > > > 2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > > Hi Santiago, > > > > Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown.

This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.

> > > > I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with

it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.

> > > > Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore: > > - producing html files > > - being behind a seaside server > > > > I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers.

First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.

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Alexandre Bergel
Johan Fabry
Santiago Vidal
Stéphane Ducasse
Tudor Girba