2011/5/20 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com
Hi,
Please send these discussions on the moose-dev mailing list :). They are important for everyone.
Cheers, Doru
On 20 May 2011, at 14:17, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Great! I was thinking on a visitor too. The visitor should be used to
collect the data that is displayed in the canvas. On the other hand, all the Protovis declaration could be static for each kind of graphic that is generated by Mondrian. That is because in Protovis only a "mark" is specified for each kind of data. Anyway, I have to take a closer look of it.
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are
those under the MOShape hierarchy. Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system
complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This
is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a
bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First,
start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
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Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian
are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario
of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a
system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum
- el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses.
view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This
is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it
a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers.
First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
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Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code:
view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Strange, I can
On 24 May 2011, at 16:05, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code:
view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code:
view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
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What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 21:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity
visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian
are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario
of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the
method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a
system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It
contains the following code:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el |
sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses.
view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as
protovis code.
Then, we will have to deal with the nesting:
view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown.
This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with
it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers.
First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
-- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal@exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"One cannot do more than one can do."
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this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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This is great!
Keep it up :)
Cheers, Doru
On 25 May 2011, at 12:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the
change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack ( http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an
example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,
Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the
change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Yes, don't worry. I think that it could be working for Monday
2011/5/26 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes.
Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack ( http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an
example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,
Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made
the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Ok, excellent
Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:50, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, don't worry. I think that it could be working for Monday
2011/5/26 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Hi Santiago,
Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout.
It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting.
Cheers, Doru
On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
Cheers, Doru
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Ok, thanks
2011/5/26 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com
Hi Santiago,
Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout.
It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting.
Cheers, Doru
On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes.
Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack ( http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an
example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,
Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made
the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> Hi, > > Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >
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Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
1. Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. 2. Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
2011/5/26 Santiago Vidal santiago.a.vidal@gmail.com
Ok, thanks
2011/5/26 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com
Hi Santiago,
Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout.
It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting.
Cheers, Doru
On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes.
Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack ( http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an
example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,
Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made
the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> What about know? > Santiago > > 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr > install unarchiver. > > Stef > > On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>
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I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
2011/5/26 Santiago Vidal santiago.a.vidal@gmail.com Ok, thanks
2011/5/26 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi Santiago,
Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout.
It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting.
Cheers, Doru
On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
Keep it going!
Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file, Cheers
2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Hi Santiago,
This is cool. You're on the right track! Next steps, inner nodes. For example. -=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=
With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
Next, try to export a class blueprint.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr this was for doru
unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
What about know? Santiago
2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr install unarchiver.
Stef
On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> Hi, > > Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >
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I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian
in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general
I have 2 options to work with protovis:
• Be independent of the data by means of the use of ProtovisLayouts.
• Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That iscreate a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies
the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file
could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com
Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop
behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle
interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding
Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In
general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
• Be independent of the data by means of the use of ProtovisLayouts.
• Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That iscreate a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies
the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html
file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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You should see this [image: InnerEdges.png]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes,
and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will
only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop
behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle
interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding
Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In
general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
• Be independent of the data by means of the use of ProtovisLayouts.
• Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That iscreate a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it
implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html
file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I
the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and
generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner
nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will
only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop
behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle
interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding
Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In
general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
• Be independent of the data by means of the use of ProtovisLayouts.
• Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. Thatis create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it
implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html
file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Does the edges and colors are properly displayed? Try to generate a class blueprint then
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 12:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Hi,
Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. What do you think is the best option? Cheers Santiago
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Hi, Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly. Cheers, Santiago
2011/5/30 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com
Hi,
Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example
code:
view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not
see any edge.
An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am
I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose
and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner
nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that
will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag &
drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle
interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding
Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> Hi, > I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In
general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of
Protovis Layouts.
> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian.
That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it
implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated
html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> What do you think is the best option? > Cheers > Santiago
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Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
Ok, let us know
Alexandre
2011/5/30 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I feel we should opt for 2). We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
Alexandre
On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> Hi, > I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > What do you think is the best option? > Cheers > Santiago
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I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is
because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
Ok, let us know
Alexandre
2011/5/30 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag
together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example
code:
view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do
not see any edge.
An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge.
Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose
and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner
nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that
will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag &
drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to
handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I feel we should opt for 2). > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding
Mondrian in Protovis.
> > Alexandre > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes.
In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
>> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of
Protovis Layouts.
>> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian.
That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
>> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it
implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
>> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated
html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
>> What do you think is the best option? >> Cheers >> Santiago
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Looks good. Edges now
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
Ok, let us know
Alexandre
2011/5/30 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I feel we should opt for 2). > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > Alexandre > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. >> What do you think is the best option? >> Cheers >> Santiago
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Cool! :)
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 22:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
Ok, let us know
Alexandre
2011/5/30 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
Cheers, Doru
On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | view nodes: (1 to: each). view gridLayout ]
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. An edge is a line
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
You should see this <InnerEdges.png>
2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com Good start! In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/27 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com Hi,
You should go for both options.
Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
2011/5/27 Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl
I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I feel we should opt for 2). > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > Alexandre > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. >> What do you think is the best option? >> Cheers >> Santiago
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Excellent start :-) The edge extremities are not where they should
Alexandre
On 24 May 2011, at 15:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code:
view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
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Pretty cool :)
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 22:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Excellent start :-) The edge extremities are not where they should
Alexandre
On 24 May 2011, at 15:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature. Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It contains the following code:
view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el | sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses. view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as protovis code. Then, we will have to deal with the nesting: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown. This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers. First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
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2011/5/24 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
Excellent start :-) The edge extremities are not where they should
Alexandre
On 24 May 2011, at 15:47, Santiago Vidal wrote:
Hi, It took a while but I have an example of a system complexity
visualization with Protovis (The example is in the attachments). If you agree I'm going to implement this function in Mondrian as an export feature.
Cheers Santiago
2011/5/20 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
I would like to know if all the kind of shapes supported by Mondrian
are those under the MOShape hierarchy.
Yes.
Also, in order to simplify the task, I would like to define an scenario
of use. For example, the html file is going to be generated after a selection of a button called "generate html5". After this we may make a generalization.
Yes. A new exporter. This should not much work. Have a look at the method
exportAsSVG and class MOEaselCommandSVGExporter.
Finally, can you tell me what do you mean by "First, start with a
system complexity. Then, add labels and popup."? I didn't follow you :( Are they Mondrian components?
Open a Mondrian easel, you have an example 'system complexity'. It
contains the following code:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= view shape rectangle width: [:cls | cls instVarNames size * 3]; height: [:cls | cls methods size ]; linearFillColor: [:cls | cls methods inject: 0 into: [:sum :el |
sum + el getSource lineCount]] within: Collection withAllSubclasses.
view nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. view edgesFrom: #superclass. view treeLayout -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is the simplest graphical visualization. Try to generate it as
protovis code.
Then, we will have to deal with the nesting:
view nodes: (1 to: 10) forEach: [ :each | view nodes: ($a to: $z). view gridLayout ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Then, edges will come into play.
Cheers, Alexandre
Thanks! Cheers Santiago
2011/5/19 Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl Hi Santiago,
Apparently, your refactoring did not cause a significant slowdown.
This is cool. We will see if people start to complain.
I think the next step is to get a hand on ProtoVis. Try to play with
it a bit to know how it works. You should then be able to produce a visitor that generates HTML5/Protovis code.
Then, there are two scenarios that we would like you to explore:
- producing html files
- being behind a seaside server
I think that we need to be incremental on the features to covers.
First, start with a system complexity. Then, add labels and popup. Handling interaction will be important. I feel this cannot be effectively done without being behind a seaside server.
Doru, anything to add?
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