Hi,

Thanks Alexandre and Nicolas for your answers. I understand that moose is a tool for software analysis and not used to install or execute anything. I'm trying to stretch the uses a little. I imagine that you can use Smalltalk to declare something like:

* download this. * create this folder * extract this on this folder * run this.

This four steps are the only thing that are needed to "install & execute" portable apps[1]. It seems to me that Moose would be capable of running these steps. I was thinking that because of the data oriented nature of moose, it will have properly support for Operative System task as downloading, extracting, etc (something like the os.system calls in python, but a la Smalltalk way). And because of the flexibility of visualizations and browsers would be possible to write particular GUI for this kind of "scripts". Having a One Click Experience Moose with this kind of scripts for several apps for different operative systems would let you bootstrap a portable "personal learning environment" that is real my intention (data analysis would come after). Is this possible?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_application

Cheers,

Offray

Alex, nice to have you in Chile and seeing, with Argentina, a stronger Smalltalk Latin American presence.

On Wed Nov 30 09:04:03 2011, Nicolas Anquetil wrote:

I have a feeling that there is some misunderstanding on what Moose is.

Moose is an environnment to analyze data. It is primarily used to reverse engineer legacy systems. It is not used to install anything nor execute anything.

It "just" allows one to study presumably big software system to try to understand them better.

nicolas

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I am not sure to perfectly understand. Moose works well on Linux, Windows and OSX. Just grab the one click from http://www.moosetechnology.org/ Does this answer your question?

Saludos, Alexandre

On 29 Nov 2011, at 23:07, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

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Hi all,

I'm just wondering if is possible to use Moose to install portable apps Like Xmind[1] or Etoys[2]. Both have a packaging that include the virtual machine and the software for Windows, Linux and Mac, so installing it would be matter of telling moose where to download the files and how to execute the proper file according to the operative system. May be a more modular and intelligent way could be implemented using the data analysis tools of moose and models to declare dependencies between software and may be adding compiling tools or other ways to install the software.

If you have any hint about where can I get started with this idea it would be appreciated (I know that on this, pharo and pier mailing list I continuously ask for pointers for different starting ideas... all they are related, but now I just have not the time to start with them because I was preparing the first part of my Ph.D exam... hopefully if I can get any time to code and proper pointers, it will be with some code on Smalltalk, instead of reinventing the wheel in other language).

[1] http://xmind.net/ [2] http://squeakland.org/download/

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you do not need moose to create a program that does what you want.

• download this.

url and Zinc I guess

• create this folder

FS

• extract this on this folder

ZIP

• run this.

OSPrcess to launch it.

Stef

On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

Hi,

Thanks Alexandre and Nicolas for your answers. I understand that moose is a tool for software analysis and not used to install or execute anything. I'm trying to stretch the uses a little. I imagine that you can use Smalltalk to declare something like:

• download this.
• create this folder
• extract this on this folder
• run this.

This four steps are the only thing that are needed to "install & execute" portable apps[1]. It seems to me that Moose would be capable of running these steps. I was thinking that because of the data oriented nature of moose, it will have properly support for Operative System task as downloading, extracting, etc (something like the os.system calls in python, but a la Smalltalk way). And because of the flexibility of visualizations and browsers would be possible to write particular GUI for this kind of "scripts". Having a One Click Experience Moose with this kind of scripts for several apps for different operative systems would let you bootstrap a portable "personal learning environment" that is real my intention (data analysis would come after). Is this possible?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_application

Cheers,

Offray

Alex, nice to have you in Chile and seeing, with Argentina, a stronger Smalltalk Latin American presence.

On Wed Nov 30 09:04:03 2011, Nicolas Anquetil wrote:

...

I have a feeling that there is some misunderstanding on what Moose is.

Moose is an environnment to analyze data. It is primarily used to reverse engineer legacy systems. It is not used to install anything nor execute anything.

It "just" allows one to study presumably big software system to try to understand them better.

nicolas

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De: "Alexandre Bergel"alexandre.bergel@me.com À: "Moose-related development"moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch Envoyé: Mercredi 30 Novembre 2011 14:54:30 Objet: [Moose-dev] Re: Using moose to install portable apps? Hi Offray!

I am not sure to perfectly understand. Moose works well on Linux, Windows and OSX. Just grab the one click from http://www.moosetechnology.org/ Does this answer your question?

Saludos, Alexandre

On 29 Nov 2011, at 23:07, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

...

Hi all,

I'm just wondering if is possible to use Moose to install portable apps Like Xmind[1] or Etoys[2]. Both have a packaging that include the virtual machine and the software for Windows, Linux and Mac, so installing it would be matter of telling moose where to download the files and how to execute the proper file according to the operative system. May be a more modular and intelligent way could be implemented using the data analysis tools of moose and models to declare dependencies between software and may be adding compiling tools or other ways to install the software.

If you have any hint about where can I get started with this idea it would be appreciated (I know that on this, pharo and pier mailing list I continuously ask for pointers for different starting ideas... all they are related, but now I just have not the time to start with them because I was preparing the first part of my Ph.D exam... hopefully if I can get any time to code and proper pointers, it will be with some code on Smalltalk, instead of reinventing the wheel in other language).

[1] http://xmind.net/ [2] http://squeakland.org/download/

Cheers,

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