10 Jun
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'11
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I just tried. It works pretty! There is only one thing that I am seeing, the tool tip
centers the text. Can it be left justified?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 Jun 2011, at 15:30, Santiago Vidal wrote:
I implemented the automatic extraction of the Protovis
files by means of Base64MimeConverter. I commited the new version to squeaksource.
Cheers
2011/6/10 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
Ok, cool!
Alexandre
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It sounds possible. I'll take a look at it.
Santiago
2011/6/10 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
Hi Santiago!
Really cool! You succeeded in having class blueprint in a web browser, probably the most
complicated visualization made with mondrian.
I now have a question about packaging your work. All the compressed javascript code takes
188 Kb. Where should we put this necessary code? Within Mondrian directly I think. Like
this one can simply export a visualization as html5 without having to install anything
else on the side.
Do you think you can store a zip file as a string (have a look at the ThemeIcons class
side, they use Base64MimeConverter to have a binary code as a readable string)? And then
unzip it when exporting a visualization as html5?
Cheers,
Alexandre
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I updated the Protovis export method of Mondrian easel. Now it also works with blueprint
classes. One or more classes can be displayed (In the same way as Mondrian). There are
some examples in the next file: www.santiagovidal.com.ar/MondrianProtovis/examples.zip
Now, also, the canvas is automatically re-sized when you drag an element out of it.
Cheers
Santiago
2011/6/5 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
Hi,
Pretty nice.
Just a note: Given that the size of the attachments is large, please put it somewhere for
us to download instead of sending them by mail directly. Use Dropbox for example:
http://www.dropbox.com/
Cheers,
Doru
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2011/6/4 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
Cool! Can you try a class blueprint?
Alexandre
On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:39, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> Hi,
> I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It
took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an
external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single
line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html
(I'm attaching these files).
> Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes
and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm
also attaching an example of each one)
> I gladly welcome your comments! ;)
> Cheers
> Santiago
>
> 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
> Looks good.
> Edges now
>
> Alexandre
>
> On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes.
The new file is in the attachment.
> > Take care
> > Santiago
> >
> > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
> > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is
because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent.
However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
> >
> > Ok, let us know
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> > >
> > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag
together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner
nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing
implementation?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example
code:
> > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
> > > > view nodes: (1 to: each).
> > > > view gridLayout ]
> > > >
> > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
> > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do
not see any edge.
> > > > An edge is a line
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Alexandre
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You should see this
> > > > > <InnerEdges.png>
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
> > > > > Good start!
> > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any
edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole
Moose and generate the visualizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of
complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second
option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Santiago
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should go for both options.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new
MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Doru
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to
implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the
Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you
plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using
Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of
the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > > > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of
the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > > > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is
used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of
Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of
Mondrian.
> > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable
than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is
that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send
before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > > > > >> Cheers
> > > > > > > >> Santiago
> > > > > > >
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