Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.

2011/5/30 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; Hi, Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation? Cheers, Doru On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | > view nodes: (1 to: each). > view gridLayout ] > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. > An edge is a line > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > You should see this > > <InnerEdges.png> > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > Good start! > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX. > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations. > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. > > > Cheers > > > Santiago > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > > > Hi, > > > > > > You should go for both options. > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry &lt;jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl&gt; > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > > > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > > > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > > > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > > > >> Cheers > > > > >> Santiago > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Johan Fabry > > > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > UNICEN University > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > Bs. 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I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. Take care Santiago 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly. Ok, let us know Alexandre > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > Hi, > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | > > view nodes: (1 to: each). > > view gridLayout ] > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. > > An edge is a line > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > You should see this > > > <InnerEdges.png> > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > > Good start! > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX. > > > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations. > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. > > > > Cheers > > > > Santiago > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > You should go for both options. > > > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry &lt;jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl&gt; > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > > > > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > > > > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > > > > >> Cheers > > > > > >> Santiago > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Johan Fabry > > > > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > > UNICEN University > > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done." > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > UNICEN University > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > <protovisMondrian.zip>_______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > UNICEN University > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > Campus Universitario > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > UNICEN University > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > Campus Universitario > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, > you will end up with a messy haircut." > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > ISISTAN Research Institute > UNICEN University > Paraje Arroyo Seco > Campus Universitario > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > Bs. As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. As. - Argentina Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 Fax: 54 2293 439681 Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal <protovisMondrian.zip>_______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi, I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html (I'm attaching these files). Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm also attaching an example of each one) I gladly welcome your comments! ;) Cheers Santiago 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; Looks good. Edges now Alexandre On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote: > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. > Take care > Santiago > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly. > > Ok, let us know > > Alexandre > > > > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > > Hi, > > > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation? > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | > > > view nodes: (1 to: each). > > > view gridLayout ] > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. > > > An edge is a line > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > You should see this > > > > <InnerEdges.png> > > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > > > Good start! > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX. > > > > > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations. > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Santiago > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > You should go for both options. > > > > > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry &lt;jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > > > > > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > > > > > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > > > > > >> Cheers > > > > > > >> Santiago > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Johan Fabry > > > > > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > > > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > > > UNICEN University > > > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > > > > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > > UNICEN University > > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > > Bs. 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Ok, that's the next step :) Santiago 2011/6/4 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; Cool! Can you try a class blueprint? Alexandre On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:39, Santiago Vidal wrote: > Hi, > I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html (I'm attaching these files). > Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm also attaching an example of each one) > I gladly welcome your comments! ;) > Cheers > Santiago > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > Looks good. > Edges now > > Alexandre > > On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment. > > Take care > > Santiago > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly. > > > > Ok, let us know > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > > > Hi, > > > > > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code: > > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each | > > > > view nodes: (1 to: each). > > > > view gridLayout ] > > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge. > > > > An edge is a line > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > You should see this > > > > > <InnerEdges.png> > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; > > > > > Good start! > > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX. > > > > > > > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations. > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Santiago > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > You should go for both options. > > > > > > > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry &lt;jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2). > > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis: > > > > > > > >> • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts. > > > > > > > >> • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian. > > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed. > > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian. > > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option? > > > > > > > >> Cheers > > > > > > > >> Santiago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Johan Fabry > > > > > > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > > > > > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > > > > UNICEN University > > > > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > > > > > > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > > > UNICEN University > > > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > > > <protovisMondrian.zip>_______________________________________________ > > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > > UNICEN University > > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ing. Santiago A. Vidal > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute > > > > UNICEN University > > > > Paraje Arroyo Seco > > > > Campus Universitario > > > > (B7001BBO) Tandil, > > > > Bs. As. - Argentina > > > > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > > > > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > > > > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > > > > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > -- > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, > > > you will end up with a messy haircut." > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ing. Santiago A. 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As. - Argentina > Phone: 54 2293 439840 Ext. 42 > Fax: 54 2293 439681 > Email: svidal(a)exa.unicen.edu.ar > http://www.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~svidal > <DistributionMap.html><DragWithChildRestriction.js><ex.css><jquery.tipsy.js><jquery-1.4.2.min.js><protovis-r3.2.js><tipsy.css><tipsyBehavior.js><innerNodes.html><SystemComplexity.html>_______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- Ing. Santiago A. Vidal ISISTAN Research Institute UNICEN University Paraje Arroyo Seco Campus Universitario (B7001BBO) Tandil, Bs. 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