8 Apr
2014
8 Apr
'14
7:02 a.m.
Hi Guillaume,
Thanks.
The contrast of the gray was reported before and I thought that we solved
it by making the gray a bit darker. Finding this problem depends on the
screen, and given that you have a less performant screen, could you please
do the following experiment?
Experiment: pick from the following picture the lightest gray that you see
and then send back the number of the model (you can easily do this in
GTInspector)
view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
view shape rectangle
withoutBorder; width: 400; height: 1; fillColor: [ :each | Color gray: each
].
view nodes: (1 to: 0 by: -0.01).
view verticalLineLayout gapSize: 10.
view
Doru
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Guillaume Larcheveque <
guillaume.larcheveque(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The main problem was the border of each window. For
someone who is not
aware of every tool, they sometime missed the bottom of a window and they
try to click on another one but were still on the previous one (this is
just one problem that I remember).
Because my goal was not to experiment the theme, I quickly moved users to
the other glamourus theme.
The problem is even bigger when you have a screen of bad quality like my
acer laptop where I cannot see the border at all if I'm not right in the
axis of my screen.
2014-04-06 8:33 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>:
It's not quite so. It's just that we are not used to it. But, we can get
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used to with practice. Let's just start and
in a year from now we will be
better :).
One way to do it is to talk about principles. For example, one principle
I want in a basic theme is to use the least amount of graphical variables
it can so that other interfaces that are built on top of it have the
freedom to utilize the rest of the variables. Of course, the interface
should still satisfy basic usability requirements like finding a piece of
information.
Another way to do it is to talk about actual cases that people have
difficulties with and look at what can be improved there. So, what kind of
information could not be found? What specific actions could not be carried
out?
Doru
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Alexandre Bergel <
alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
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This is amazing to see how user interfaces are so
subjective and hard to
formalize. At first, I was not happy with the white theme at all. But now,
I find it nicer than the default theme. Unfortunately, I cannot say what i
exactly like in the white theme.
Alexandre
On 5 Apr 2014, at 05:42, Guillaume Larcheveque <
guillaume.larcheveque(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I confirm that I'm always changing the theme. The main reason is that
there is no contrast at all.
For the usability experiments with people, I had a teaches on Moose with
other INRIA engineers (who doesn't use pharo) and the first comment was
that the look is not friendly at all and they had difficulties with it.
2014-04-04 22:13 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>:
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Thanks for the input.
If you say it like that there are little chances of changing anything.
The only way we can improve is to know why something does not work. Only
when we know the reasons can we start to react properly. So, please do let
us know what does not work.
Just because it is about the way something looks does not mean that we
cannot have a structure discussion about it.
Please note that I am not saying that the white theme is the ultimate
design. It is not. But, to find other means of expressions we have to leave
the classic one and build simple things in simple ways. The white theme has
a small amount of visual variables which goes hand in hand with the
philosophy of Pharo. This is something to nurture, not to push away. If
something does not work for a reason then we look at it. For example, when
the scrolling did not work, we changed the color. I want to spend the
energy in doing that, but I need your input.
Just for the record, I am doing similar usability experiments with
people that do not know Pharo upfront, and they seem to have no problem
finding their way. So, it is not quite as random as it might appear.
Doru
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>wrote;wrote:
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> For the record, I am not so happy with the white theme either.
>
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <
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> > Hi
> >
> > I checked here in rmod and I realized that NOBODY uses the white
> theme and I realized that I was not the only one to
> > get fedup with it. So when can it be not the default one?
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