Hi Alex,
I just see Package Blueprint working on Pharo1.1
Jean Remi shows a case study :
It is a visualization of 50 packages (so, not a lot), it is clearly difficult to scroll.
This is not an edges problem, I do not know if this problem comes from Mondrian or
Morphic...
But for sure, it is not attractive.
Mondrian exists to generate faster visualization by scripting.
If the visualization is not scrollable, and not usable with modern computers as we have,
do you think Mondrian is useful ?
The problem is here: We write one time the script, we generate frequently visualization.
Users prefer a fast visualization than a fast scripting language.
The perfect is to have the two. And I think that Mondrian can do this.
Maybe we should do work on it (an engineer ?).
Just my reflexion
Cheers,
Jannik
On Jun 9, 2010, at 14:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I already tried with a complex case. Indeed
it is a lot faster than before, thank you :D
This is what I would expect. There was a bug introduced with the zOrder.
You should have similar speed up on pharo 1.0.
> The #5 is a treeLayout (with less edges) and on it I couldn't move the
scrollbar.. got stuck for minutes. I tried again, and I had the same problem.
Are you sure that the problem comes from Mondrian? You can use Kai, the profiler I worked
on to easily see where the problem comes from.
KaiProfiler viewProfiling: [ "your code here" ]
www.squeaksource.com/Spy.html
Cheers,
Alexandre
>
> Will check if i am doing something different for that visualization (thought is the
simplest one), and will let you know.
>
> Regards,
> Veronica
>
>
> On 08 Jun 2010, at 14:46, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Hi Veronica (and Jannik),
>>
>> The problem should now be fixed. The last version of Mondrian is 3 times faster
when displaying inner nodes and edges.
>> Does it solve your problem?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 5 Jun 2010, at 05:27, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alexandre,
>>>
>>> Inspecting visualizations when many edges are present is really a problem...
>>> Is there any improvement with respect to this problem?
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Veronica
>>>
>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok. I have a set of benchmarks that noticed a slowdown. I hope this will
be addressed soon (a student is currently working on it).
>>>>
>>>> Alexandre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:59, Laval Jannik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't too.
>>>>> The script make a while and crash the image.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jannik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 23:07 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jannik, can you try to generate a DSM with the version
Mondrian-Alexandre_Bergel.355.mcz and tell me whether it is faster or not ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess Veronica can not do it since dashed lines did not exist
in 355.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Alexandre
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 15:41, Laval Jannik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the same for me.
>>>>>>> With an eDSM, it is really difficult to scroll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already make some reports of this problem... But I am not
sure it is caused by edges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jannik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 21:31 , Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandre,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> when my visualizations have many elements in general is
slow, but sometimes is impossible (or takes more than 1 min) to move the scrollbar or
switch to other windows... I think the edges are causing this problem, but i am not sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will send you an example of this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Veronica
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 20:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are edges slower than before? I recently noticed a
slowdown, but it is not that apparent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many edges are intended to be defined?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Alexandre
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 13:41, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if you do not tell him, he will never notice it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First Rule: give feedback!
>>>>>>>>>>
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