10 May
2010
10 May
'10
11:58 a.m.
Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would say
that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including the
MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on
the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the command
line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there is a check).
Cheers,
Doru
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10 May
10 May
12:40 p.m.
On 10 mai 2010, at 11:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the exception of the Glamour
cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including the MOGraphVizLayout
in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on the other hand it
requires GraphViz to be installed in the command line and it works only on Linux and Mac
(however, there is a check).
It's the same thing for infusion right? Except (infusion works on 3 platforms).
Does it mean it gets included in the one-click image?
--
Simon
1:48 p.m.
Hi,
On 10 May 2010, at 12:40, Simon Denier wrote:
On 10 mai 2010, at 11:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
Indeed.
Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would
say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including
the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on
the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the command
line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there is a check).
It's the same thing for infusion right? Except (infusion works on 3
platforms). Does it mean it gets included in the one-click image?
What? The MOGraphVizLayout? If nobody has objections, then yes :). Or
inFusion?
Cheers,
Doru
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1:57 p.m.
On 10 mai 2010, at 13:48, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
On 10 May 2010, at 12:40, Simon Denier wrote:
I was thinking of the platform-dependent graphviz package. But if there is already an
informative check (like a pop-up informing user to install graphviz if not detected), I
think it's good enough.
--
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On 10 mai 2010, at 11:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
Indeed.
Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the exception of the Glamour
cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including the MOGraphVizLayout
in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on the other hand it
requires GraphViz to be installed in the command line and it works only on Linux and Mac
(however, there is a check).
It's the same thing for infusion right? Except (infusion works on 3 platforms).
Does it mean it gets included in the one-click
image?
What? The MOGraphVizLayout? If nobody has objections, then yes :). Or inFusion?
2:30 p.m.
Hi,
I added such a popup. Could someone check if it is good enough? (I
already have GraphViz installed)
To try it, load the latest MondrianGraphVizLayout package and execute:
view := MOViewRenderer new.
view nodes: (1 to: 100).
view edgesFrom: [:x | x // 10].
view graphvizLayout.
view open
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 13:57, Simon Denier wrote:
On 10 mai 2010, at 13:48, Tudor Girba wrote:
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Hi,
On 10 May 2010, at 12:40, Simon Denier wrote:
I was thinking of the platform-dependent graphviz package. But if
there is already an informative check (like a pop-up informing user
to install graphviz if not detected), I think it's good enough.
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On 10 mai 2010, at 11:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
Indeed.
Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would
say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about
including the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities,
on the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the
command line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there
is a check).
It's the same thing for infusion right? Except (infusion works on
3 platforms). Does it mean it gets included in the one-click
image?
What? The MOGraphVizLayout? If nobody has objections, then yes :).
Or inFusion? 
3:56 p.m.
Hi Doru,
If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose 4.0.
However, I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself.
MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think that Mondrian should not
depend on OSProcess.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would say
that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including
the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on
the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the command
line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there is a check).
Cheers,
Doru
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5:51 p.m.
GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have large graphs without a
particular order. MOGraphVizLayout provides convenience constructors
(both class and instance side) for the different layouts supported by
GraphViz. The spring layouts offered are pretty interesting.
The layouts are described briefly here:
http://www.graphviz.org/
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Hi Doru,
If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose 4.0.
However, I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself.
MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think that Mondrian should not
depend on OSProcess.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
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Hi,
It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would
say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including
the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on
the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the command
line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there is a check).
Cheers,
Doru
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5:58 p.m.
Most of these layouts are in Mondrian already.
It would be cool to have a scalable spring layout.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 11:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have large
graphs without a
particular order. MOGraphVizLayout provides convenience constructors
(both class and instance side) for the different layouts supported
by GraphViz. The spring layouts offered are pretty interesting.
The layouts are described briefly here:
http://www.graphviz.org/
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Hi Doru,
If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose 4.0.
However, I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself.
MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think that Mondrian should
not depend on OSProcess.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
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It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would
say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about including
the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities,
on the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the
command line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there is
a check).
Cheers,
Doru
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6:08 p.m.
Hi Alex,
Not really.
Three of them (neato, fdp and sfdp) are spring layouts.
Dot is similar to the DominanceTreeLayout.
Twopi is similar to RadialTreeLayout, but the layout makes better use
of space, especially when you have connected trees.
Even the circo layout is different in that it can handle multiple
circles.
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 17:58, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Most of these layouts are in Mondrian already.
It would be cool to have a scalable spring layout.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 11:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
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www.tudorgirba.com
"Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."
GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have
large graphs without
a particular order. MOGraphVizLayout provides convenience
constructors (both class and instance side) for the different
layouts supported by GraphViz. The spring layouts offered are
pretty interesting.
The layouts are described briefly here:
http://www.graphviz.org/
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi Doru,
If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose
4.0. However, I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself.
MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think that Mondrian should
not depend on OSProcess.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
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It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would
say that we can now release 4.0.
I would only have one question: What would you say about
including the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities,
on the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the
command line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there
is a check).
Cheers,
Doru
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14 May
9:20 a.m.
Hi,
I have two more issues on the topic of dependencies to be loaded by
the default configuration:
1. XML Support
I would include the XML-Parser from the XMLSupport repo and OPAX (the
small addition to the SAXParser that enables dealing with tags
polymorphically)
2. Magritte as a requirement for MagrittePresentation in Glamour
It is true that there is no direct usage of Magritte, but if we want
to position Moose as allowing people to build their own tools, I think
it is important. An example of what can be done with it can be seen
here:
http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/presentations/magritte
The drawback here is that this would load 150 classes (including
tests) + 50 classes from Grease.
What do you think?
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 18:08, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Alex,
Not really.
Three of them (neato, fdp and sfdp) are spring layouts.
Dot is similar to the DominanceTreeLayout.
Twopi is similar to RadialTreeLayout, but the layout makes better
use of space, especially when you have connected trees.
Even the circo layout is different in that it can handle multiple
circles.
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 17:58, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them."
Most of these layouts are in Mondrian already.
It would be cool to have a scalable spring layout.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 11:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."
GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have
large graphs without
a particular order. MOGraphVizLayout provides convenience
constructors (both class and instance side) for the different
layouts supported by GraphViz. The spring layouts offered are
pretty interesting.
The layouts are described briefly here:
http://www.graphviz.org/
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi Doru,
If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose
4.0. However, I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself.
MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think that Mondrian should
not depend on OSProcess.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
> exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would
> say that we can now release 4.0.
>
> I would only have one question: What would you say about
> including the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
> On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities,
> on the other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the
> command line and it works only on Linux and Mac (however, there
> is a check).
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Problem solving efficiency grows with the abstractness level of
> problem understanding."
>
>
>
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6:48 p.m.
I have two more issues on the topic of dependencies to
be loaded by the default configuration:
1. XML Support
I would include the XML-Parser from the XMLSupport repo and OPAX (the small addition to
the SAXParser that enables dealing with tags polymorphically)
I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport?
2. Magritte as a requirement for MagrittePresentation
in Glamour
It is true that there is no direct usage of Magritte, but if we want to position Moose as
allowing people to build their own tools, I think it is important. An example of what can
be done with it can be seen here:
http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/presentations/magritte
The drawback here is that this would load 150 classes (including tests) + 50 classes from
Grease.
What do you think?
We should promote innovation. Include it then.
200 classes is nothing compared to loading Linux and Swing in the same image.
Alexandre
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 18:08, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Alex,
Not really.
Three of them (neato, fdp and sfdp) are spring layouts.
Dot is similar to the DominanceTreeLayout.
Twopi is similar to RadialTreeLayout, but the layout makes better use of space,
especially when you have connected trees.
Even the circo layout is different in that it can handle multiple circles.
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 17:58, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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_______________________________________________
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Most of these layouts are in Mondrian already.
It would be cool to have a scalable spring layout.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 11:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."
GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have
large graphs without a particular order. MOGraphVizLayout provides convenience
constructors (both class and instance side) for the different layouts supported by
GraphViz. The spring layouts offered are pretty interesting.
The layouts are described briefly here:
http://www.graphviz.org/
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> Hi Doru,
>
> If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose 4.0. However, I am not
sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself. MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think
that Mondrian should not depend on OSProcess.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the exception of the
Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would say that we can now release 4.0.
>>
>> I would only have one question: What would you say about including the
MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
>> On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on the other
hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the command line and it works only on Linux
and Mac (however, there is a check).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
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understanding."
>>
>>
>>
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5:46 p.m.
Hi,
On 14 May 2010, at 18:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I think
it belongs there. There are a number of things that could be added
(such as better matching for tags, or various default traversals), but
I think even as simple as it currently is, it still adds to the SAX
protocol.
That is true. I was just weighing pros and cons :)
Cheers,
Doru
I have two
more issues on the topic of dependencies to be loaded by
the default configuration:
1. XML Support
I would include the XML-Parser from the XMLSupport repo and OPAX
(the small addition to the SAXParser that enables dealing with tags
polymorphically)
I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport? 2. Magritte as
a requirement for MagrittePresentation in Glamour
It is true that there is no direct usage of Magritte, but if we
want to position Moose as allowing people to build their own tools,
I think it is important. An example of what can be done with it can
be seen here:
http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/presentations/magritte
The drawback here is that this would load 150 classes (including
tests) + 50 classes from Grease.
What do you think?
We should promote innovation. Include it then.
200 classes is nothing compared to loading Linux and Swing in the
same image Alexandre
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"Being happy is a matter of choice."
Cheers,
Doru
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Not really.
Three of them (neato, fdp and sfdp) are spring layouts.
Dot is similar to the DominanceTreeLayout.
Twopi is similar to RadialTreeLayout, but the layout makes better
use of space, especially when you have connected trees.
Even the circo layout is different in that it can handle multiple
circles.
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 17:58, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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them."
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Most of these layouts are in Mondrian already.
It would be cool to have a scalable spring layout.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 10 May 2010, at 11:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
> GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have large graphs
> without a particular order. MOGraphVizLayout provides
> convenience constructors (both class and instance side) for the
> different layouts supported by GraphViz. The spring layouts
> offered are pretty interesting.
>
> The layouts are described briefly here:
> http://www.graphviz.org/
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Hi Doru,
>>
>> If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose
>> 4.0. However, I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian
>> itself. MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I think that
>> Mondrian should not depend on OSProcess.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the
>>> exception of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I
>>> would say that we can now release 4.0.
>>>
>>> I would only have one question: What would you say about
>>> including the MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
>>> On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout
>>> possibilities, on the other hand it requires GraphViz to be
>>> installed in the command line and it works only on Linux and
>>> Mac (however, there is a check).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>
>>> "Problem solving efficiency grows with the abstractness level
>>> of problem understanding."
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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I was
wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport?
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I think it belongs there.
There are a number of things that could be added (such as better matching for tags, or
various default traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it still adds
to the SAX protocol. 2.
Magritte as a requirement for MagrittePresentation in Glamour
It is true that there is no direct usage of Magritte, but if we want to position Moose as
allowing people to build their own tools, I think it is important. An example of what can
be done with it can be seen here:
http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/presentations/magritte
The drawback here is that this would load 150 classes (including tests) + 50 classes from
Grease.
What do you think?
We should promote innovation. Include it then.
200 classes is nothing compared to loading Linux and Swing in the same image Alexandre
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Not really.
Three of them (neato, fdp and sfdp) are spring layouts.
Dot is similar to the DominanceTreeLayout.
Twopi is similar to RadialTreeLayout, but the layout makes better use of space,
especially when you have connected trees.
Even the circo layout is different in that it can handle multiple circles.
Cheers,
Doru
On 10 May 2010, at 17:58, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> Most of these layouts are in Mondrian already.
> It would be cool to have a scalable spring layout.
>
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> On 10 May 2010, at 11:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> GraphVizLayout is pretty useful when you have large graphs without a particular
order. MOGraphVizLayout provides convenience constructors (both class and instance side)
for the different layouts supported by GraphViz. The spring layouts offered are pretty
interesting.
>>
>> The layouts are described briefly here:
>> http://www.graphviz.org/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2010, at 15:56, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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>>> Hi Doru,
>>>
>>> If MOGraphVizLayout is useful, then it should be part of Moose 4.0. However,
I am not sure it has to be part of Mondrian itself. MOGraphVizLayout use OSProcess, and I
think that Mondrian should not depend on OSProcess.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2010, at 05:58, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It looks like most issues related to 4.0 are solved, with the exception
of the Glamour cycle which I moved to 4.1. So, I would say that we can now release 4.0.
>>>>
>>>> I would only have one question: What would you say about including the
MOGraphVizLayout in this release?
>>>> On the one hand, it offers a number of new layout possibilities, on the
other hand it requires GraphViz to be installed in the command line and it works only on
Linux and Mac (however, there is a check).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
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Hi all,
There is no more issue in bugTracker for 4.0.
We should push the release, now.
Alex, have you finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
Is there something to do for the release ?
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello configuration for it.
Cheers,
On May 16, 2010, at 23:12 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
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I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from
XMLSupport?
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I think it belongs there.
There are a number of things that could be added (such as better matching for tags, or
various default traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it still adds
to the SAX protocol.
9:57 a.m.
Hi,
Hi all,
There is no more issue in bugTracker for 4.0.
We should push the release, now.
Yes.
Alex, have you finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
For OPAX, we could just simply move the package over to XMLSupport.
Is there something to do for the release ?
I am now working on adding Magritte as prerequisite for Glamour. I
will let you know when I am done.
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello
configuration
for it.
Great. I will be online.
Cheers,
Doru
Cheers,
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Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
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"To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from
XMLSupport?
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I
think it belongs there. There are a number of things that could be
added (such as better matching for tags, or various default
traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it
still adds to the SAX protocol.
11:59 a.m.
Hi,
I added:
- Magritte to the default configuration of Glamour
- Arki-Reporter package to the ConfigurationOfMoose
- ConfigurationOfXMLSupport (1.0.1-baseline) to the ConfigurationOfMoose
- Opax package to the ConfigurationOfMoose
Everything loads fine:
http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/152/
Cheers,
Doru
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Hi all,
There is no more issue in bugTracker for 4.0.
We should push the release, now.
Yes.
Alex, have you finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
For OPAX, we could just simply move the package over to XMLSupport.
Is there something to do for the release ?
I am now working on adding Magritte as prerequisite for Glamour. I
will let you know when I am done.
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the
Metacello configuration
for it.
Great. I will be online.
Cheers,
Doru
Cheers,
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"To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
> I was
wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport?
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I
think it belongs there. There are a number of things that could
be added (such as better matching for tags, or various default
traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it
still adds to the SAX protocol.
Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
Alexandre
12:45 p.m.
Alex, have you finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
I planned to do this before Sunday. And it has nothing to do with lazyness, believe me
Alexandre
Is there something to do for the release ?
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello configuration for it.
Cheers,
On May 16, 2010, at 23:12 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
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I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from
XMLSupport?
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I think it belongs there.
There are a number of things that could be added (such as better matching for tags, or
various default traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it still adds
to the SAX protocol.
7:11 p.m.
Opax is now in.
I added a small method called readme in OPOpaxTest. It says what Opax is for.
I could not understand the class OPOpaxHandlerTestClass.
This class is part of a test scenario. But I cannot easily see a justification of the
method override in it. Maybe the class could be documented?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 21 May 2010, at 07:45, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Alex, have you
finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
I planned to do this before Sunday. And it has nothing to do with lazyness, believe me
Alexandre
Is there something to do for the release ?
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello configuration for it.
Cheers,
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > I was
wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport?
I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I think it belongs there.
There are a number of things that could be added (such as better matching for tags, or
various default traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it still adds
to the SAX protocol.
Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
Alexandre
7:25 p.m.
Hi Alex,
Thanks. I will then remove the Opax from the ConfigurationOfMoose.
Just a question, which ConfigurationOfXMLParser should we depend on?
The one from the XMLSupport repository, or the one from the
MetacelloRepository. I would prefer the one from the XMLSupport
repository.
Cheers,
Doru
On 21 May 2010, at 19:11, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Opax is now in.
I added a small method called readme in OPOpaxTest. It says what
Opax is for.
I could not understand the class OPOpaxHandlerTestClass.
This class is part of a test scenario. But I cannot easily see a
justification of the method override in it. Maybe the class could be
documented?
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Alex,
have you finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
I planned to do this before Sunday. And it has nothing to do with
lazyness, believe me
Alexandre
Is there something to do for the release ?
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello configuration
for it.
Cheers,
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separated from XMLSupport?
>
> I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I
> think it belongs there. There are a number of things that could
> be added (such as better matching for tags, or various default
> traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it
> still adds to the SAX protocol.
Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
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Pick ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from XMLSupport.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 21 May 2010, at 14:25, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Alex,
Thanks. I will then remove the Opax from the ConfigurationOfMoose.
Just a question, which ConfigurationOfXMLParser should we depend on? The one from the
XMLSupport repository, or the one from the MetacelloRepository. I would prefer the one
from the XMLSupport repository.
Cheers,
Doru
On 21 May 2010, at 19:11, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Opax is now in.
I added a small method called readme in OPOpaxTest. It says what Opax is for.
I could not understand the class OPOpaxHandlerTestClass.
This class is part of a test scenario. But I cannot easily see a justification of the
method override in it. Maybe the class could be documented?
Cheers,
Alexandre
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have you finished to include OPAX ?
Do you need help ?
I planned to do this before Sunday. And it has nothing to do with lazyness, believe me
Alexandre
Is there something to do for the release ?
With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello configuration for it.
Cheers,
On May 16, 2010, at 23:12 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>> I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport?
>>
>> I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport. I think it belongs
there. There are a number of things that could be added (such as better matching for tags,
or various default traversals), but I think even as simple as it currently is, it still
adds to the SAX protocol.
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> Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
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Ok, I updated the ConfigurationOfMoose and everything looks Ok.
Cheers,
Doru
On 21 May 2010, at 21:49, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Pick ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from XMLSupport.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Hi Alex,
Thanks. I will then remove the Opax from the ConfigurationOfMoose.
Just a question, which ConfigurationOfXMLParser should we depend
on? The one from the XMLSupport repository, or the one from the
MetacelloRepository. I would prefer the one from the XMLSupport
repository.
Cheers,
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I added a small method called readme in OPOpaxTest. It says what
Opax is for.
I could not understand the class OPOpaxHandlerTestClass.
This class is part of a test scenario. But I cannot easily see a
justification of the method override in it. Maybe the class could
be documented?
Cheers,
Alexandre
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > Alex, have you finished to include OPAX ?
> Do you need help ?
I planned to do this before Sunday. And it has nothing to do with
lazyness, believe me
Alexandre
>
> Is there something to do for the release ?
> With Cyrille, we can do this afternoon the Metacello
> configuration for it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On May 16, 2010, at 23:12 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>>> I was wondering, should OPAX be kept separated from XMLSupport?
>>>
>>> I would be happy if OPAX would get integrated into XMLSupport.
>>> I think it belongs there. There are a number of things that
>>> could be added (such as better matching for tags, or various
>>> default traversals), but I think even as simple as it
>>> currently is, it still adds to the SAX protocol.
>>
>> Ok. I will include OPAX in XMLSupport. Just give me a few days.
>>
>> Alexandre
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