Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
Wow!
I will certainly look at this in more details.
Doru
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Natalia Tymchuk < natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net> wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
Great work, great website, Natalia ! Might be interested to mix Voronoi diagrams with multi-agent and epidemiology modeling in the future. Thank you.
BTW, this kind of diagram are called Voronoi diagrams in english: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
Hi. Thank you. I know about Voronoi, but Georgiy Voronyj was Ukrainian and actually he called Voronyj. Voronyj means the raven color in Ukrainian. Russians translate casual nouns in proper names. In this way they get Voronoi. It is like if you translate Villeneuve-d'Ascq to English as Novoselok-d'Ascq because villeneuve literally translates to novoselok in Russian, or it like calling George Bush as Yuriy Kust. Sorry, I know that everyone use Voronoi, but I belive that I should use real name.
Best regards, Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckwich@gmail.com wrote:
Great work, great website, Natalia ! Might be interested to mix Voronoi diagrams with multi-agent and epidemiology modeling in the future. Thank you.
BTW, this kind of diagram are called Voronoi diagrams in english: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
-- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
Sorry no problem. I didn't want to annoy you.
Regards,
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hi. Thank you. I know about Voronoi, but Georgiy Voronyj was Ukrainian and actually he called Voronyj. Voronyj means the raven color in Ukrainian. Russians translate casual nouns in proper names. In this way they get Voronoi. It is like if you translate Villeneuve-d'Ascq to English as Novoselok-d'Ascq because villeneuve literally translates to novoselok in Russian, or it like calling George Bush as Yuriy Kust. Sorry, I know that everyone use Voronoi, but I belive that I should use real name.
Best regards, Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckwich@gmail.com wrote:
Great work, great website, Natalia ! Might be interested to mix Voronoi diagrams with multi-agent and epidemiology modeling in the future. Thank you.
BTW, this kind of diagram are called Voronoi diagrams in english: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
-- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
No problem. I just wanted to explain.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckwich@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry no problem. I didn't want to annoy you.
Regards,
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hi. Thank you. I know about Voronoi, but Georgiy Voronyj was Ukrainian and actually he called Voronyj. Voronyj means the raven color in Ukrainian. Russians translate casual nouns in proper names. In this way they get Voronoi. It is like if you translate Villeneuve-d'Ascq to English as Novoselok-d'Ascq because villeneuve literally translates to novoselok in Russian, or it like calling George Bush as Yuriy Kust. Sorry, I know that everyone use Voronoi, but I belive that I should use real name.
Best regards, Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckwich@gmail.com wrote:
Great work, great website, Natalia ! Might be interested to mix Voronoi diagrams with multi-agent and epidemiology modeling in the future. Thank you.
BTW, this kind of diagram are called Voronoi diagrams in english: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
-- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
-- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
Hi Natalia,
Nice work, I really liked the southamerica map with the Voronyj diagram. And the website is also cool: nice organization and style.
Pablo
On 25 July 2014 16:49, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hi. Thank you. I know about Voronoi, but Georgiy Voronyj was Ukrainian and actually he called Voronyj. Voronyj means the raven color in Ukrainian. Russians translate casual nouns in proper names. In this way they get Voronoi. It is like if you translate Villeneuve-d'Ascq to English as Novoselok-d'Ascq because villeneuve literally translates to novoselok in Russian, or it like calling George Bush as Yuriy Kust. Sorry, I know that everyone use Voronoi, but I belive that I should use real name.
Best regards, Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckwich@gmail.com wrote:
Great work, great website, Natalia ! Might be interested to mix Voronoi diagrams with multi-agent and epidemiology modeling in the future. Thank you.
BTW, this kind of diagram are called Voronoi diagrams in english: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here:
http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ .
I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really
cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
Best regards, Natalia
-- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
Impressive!!!!
Natalia, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
Thank you. Yes, I will.
Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Impressive!!!!
Natalia, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
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On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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Hi Natalia,
I've been playing with it today, and look at the pretty pixels it makes :D The points are generated by the poisson disc sampling algorithm described at http://bost.ocks.org/mike/algorithms/
However, see the result of the doit, in red… the time grows really quick with the number of nodes, which makes it impractical with large point sets (the 2 smaller sets are instant, the 3rd one quickly pops the progress bar, and the 4th takes a couple minutes). Wikipedia says the complexity should be around N log N, so that's strange ; I've seen the code copies collections a lot, that might be it… but it's too late for coding now :|
On 25 July 2014 19:12, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Thank you. Yes, I will.
Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Impressive!!!!
Natalia, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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Hello. Yes, it is quite slow. I used Delaunay triangulation to build the diagram, I’m not sure that it has the smallest complexity, but it is the simples one for me.
I've seen the code copies collections a lot, that might be it…
It is the reason, however I wanted not only draw the diagram as a lot of segments, but to build the polygons and for that I need all that collections. Maybe I will change the algorithm, that builds the diagrams. Thanks for your attention and comments)
Best regards, Natalia
On Aug 26, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Damien Pollet damien.pollet@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Natalia,
I've been playing with it today, and look at the pretty pixels it makes :D The points are generated by the poisson disc sampling algorithm described at http://bost.ocks.org/mike/algorithms/
However, see the result of the doit, in red… the time grows really quick with the number of nodes, which makes it impractical with large point sets (the 2 smaller sets are instant, the 3rd one quickly pops the progress bar, and the 4th takes a couple minutes). Wikipedia says the complexity should be around N log N, so that's strange ; I've seen the code copies collections a lot, that might be it… but it's too late for coding now :|
On 25 July 2014 19:12, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Thank you. Yes, I will.
Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Impressive!!!!
Natalia, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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On 26 August 2014 09:29, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
It is the reason, however I wanted not only draw the diagram as a lot of segments, but to build the polygons and for that I need all that collections.
It's not a matter of having many collections, but of repeatedly making copies in nested loops. For instance, in uniqueTriCombiDo: using allButFirst: followed by withIndexDo: can be replaced by to:do:
However, I guess the biggest gain would be in avoiding to enumerate potential triangles over the whole point set, since that's combinatorial; for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune%27s_algorithm
Hi Damien,
Can you share what is necessary to reproduce the pictures you’ve sent ? (e.g., PoissonDiscDistribution class)
Alexandre
On Aug 25, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Damien Pollet damien.pollet@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Natalia,
I've been playing with it today, and look at the pretty pixels it makes :D The points are generated by the poisson disc sampling algorithm described at http://bost.ocks.org/mike/algorithms/
However, see the result of the doit, in red… the time grows really quick with the number of nodes, which makes it impractical with large point sets (the 2 smaller sets are instant, the 3rd one quickly pops the progress bar, and the 4th takes a couple minutes). Wikipedia says the complexity should be around N log N, so that's strange ; I've seen the code copies collections a lot, that might be it… but it's too late for coding now :|
On 25 July 2014 19:12, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Thank you. Yes, I will.
Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Impressive!!!!
Natalia, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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On 26 August 2014 15:23, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Can you share what is necessary to reproduce the pictures you’ve sent ? (e.g., PoissonDiscDistribution class)
sure:
Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'cdlm' project: 'Flatland'; package: 'PoissonDiscSampler'; load
Hi Damien,
I am not able to reproduce your example. Apparently you have some extension in your image that I do not have (e.g., SmallInteger>>random, and OrderedDictionary).
Why not using SmallInteger>>atRandom by the way?
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Damien Pollet damien.pollet@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Natalia,
I've been playing with it today, and look at the pretty pixels it makes :D The points are generated by the poisson disc sampling algorithm described at http://bost.ocks.org/mike/algorithms/
However, see the result of the doit, in red… the time grows really quick with the number of nodes, which makes it impractical with large point sets (the 2 smaller sets are instant, the 3rd one quickly pops the progress bar, and the 4th takes a couple minutes). Wikipedia says the complexity should be around N log N, so that's strange ; I've seen the code copies collections a lot, that might be it… but it's too late for coding now :|
On 25 July 2014 19:12, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Thank you. Yes, I will.
Natalia
On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Impressive!!!!
Natalia, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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Hi Natalia,
From: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
The script should instead be. I have removed a ;
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | builder cn objects |
objects := { 10 @ 40 . 40 @ 10 . 10 @ -20 . -20 @ 10. -20 @ 60 . -30 @ 40 . 160 @ 90 . 100 @ -30 }.
cn := RTNColorLinearNormalizer inContext: objects withCommand: #x lowColor: (Color r:0 g:0 b:1) highColor: (Color r:1 g:1 b:0).
builder := RTVoronyjBuilder new objects: objects; positionBlock: #yourself; color: cn. builder sites shape rectangle; color: Color green; size: 10. builder sites interaction popupText: [ :obj | 'I am', obj asString ]; highlightColored: Color red. builder build. builder view @ RTZoomableView; open -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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Natalia,
I have copied your classes RTPolygon and TRPolygon into Roassal and Trachel respectively. Your package RTVoronyjBuilder-RT is now obsolete. I suggest you to remove it from your configuration. Naturally, this does not prevent you from improving these classes.
Thanks again for this valuable contribution.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Sep 3, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi Natalia,
From: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
The script should instead be. I have removed a ;
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | builder cn objects |
objects := { 10 @ 40 . 40 @ 10 . 10 @ -20 . -20 @ 10. -20 @ 60 . -30 @ 40 . 160 @ 90 . 100 @ -30 }.
cn := RTNColorLinearNormalizer inContext: objects withCommand: #x lowColor: (Color r:0 g:0 b:1) highColor: (Color r:1 g:1 b:0).
builder := RTVoronyjBuilder new objects: objects; positionBlock: #yourself; color: cn. builder sites shape rectangle; color: Color green; size: 10. builder sites interaction popupText: [ :obj | 'I am', obj asString ]; highlightColored: Color red. builder build. builder view @ RTZoomableView; open -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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Hello, Alex. Thank you. I already fixed code on the site and will make changes in configuration.
Best regards, Natalia
On Sep 3, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Natalia,
I have copied your classes RTPolygon and TRPolygon into Roassal and Trachel respectively. Your package RTVoronyjBuilder-RT is now obsolete. I suggest you to remove it from your configuration. Naturally, this does not prevent you from improving these classes.
Thanks again for this valuable contribution.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Sep 3, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi Natalia,
From: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
The script should instead be. I have removed a ;
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | builder cn objects |
objects := { 10 @ 40 . 40 @ 10 . 10 @ -20 . -20 @ 10. -20 @ 60 . -30 @ 40 . 160 @ 90 . 100 @ -30 }.
cn := RTNColorLinearNormalizer inContext: objects withCommand: #x lowColor: (Color r:0 g:0 b:1) highColor: (Color r:1 g:1 b:0).
builder := RTVoronyjBuilder new objects: objects; positionBlock: #yourself; color: cn. builder sites shape rectangle; color: Color green; size: 10. builder sites interaction popupText: [ :obj | 'I am', obj asString ]; highlightColored: Color red. builder build. builder view @ RTZoomableView; open -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymchuk@unikernel.net wrote:
Hello.
I implemented Voronyj diagrams for Roassal. You can read about it here: http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/ . I will be on vacation from Monday till Thursday, but it will be really cool if you can write me your opinion about this project and all your remarks.
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