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Alexandre Bergel

25 Nov 2014 25 Nov '14

12:48 p.m.

Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Alexandre Bergel

25 Nov 25 Nov

12:52 p.m.

Maybe we should be able to open a playground with a variable bounds in it (e.g. classGroup). Alexandre

On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

2:11 p.m.

Indeed, I think that the easel is not particularly useful anymore. The only place where it can serve a purpose is for newbies. But, I think the goal would be to remove it. Doru On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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stepharo

29 Nov 29 Nov

9:14 a.m.

Pay attention that putting all the eggs in the same basket is not a good strategy. Can you access the example and redefined more elaborated graphs with GT? I think (and you will see that I'm right) that the focus on scripts is a bad idea in the long term. We need way to abstract and reuse over scripts. This is why we built telescope. Stef Le 25/11/14 14:11, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Indeed, I think that the easel is not particularly useful anymore. The only place where it can serve a purpose is for newbies. But, I think the goal would be to remove it. Doru On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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kilon alios

9:21 a.m.

"Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel." I have to confess easel is probably my favorite part of the moose image, really interactive and nice and easy to use. I wish every pharo library came with an interactive tutorial like easel. Why you think its no longer necessary ? Which advance in GT replaces easel ?

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Alexandre Bergel

30 Nov 30 Nov

11 a.m.

You can simply inspect an object (such as a moose group) and start to write a script. You can then enjoy the navigation offered by GT. The easel does not give this. Alexandre

Le 29-11-2014 à 4:21, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> a écrit : "Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel." I have to confess easel is probably my favorite part of the moose image, really interactive and nice and easy to use. I wish every pharo library came with an interactive tutorial like easel. Why you think its no longer necessary ? Which advance in GT replaces easel ? _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

1 Dec 1 Dec

11:27 p.m.

Hi, I now made the Finder play even closer with the Roassal visualizations. You can do as you do in the inspector (including examples). See here more details: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/deep-roassal-integration-in-moose-fin… Cheers, Doru On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

You can simply inspect an object (such as a moose group) and start to write a script. You can then enjoy the navigation offered by GT. The easel does not give this. Alexandre Le 29-11-2014 à 4:21, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> a écrit : "Thanks to the advances of GT, I have my doubt about the usefulness of the easel." I have to confess easel is probably my favorite part of the moose image, really interactive and nice and easy to use. I wish every pharo library came with an interactive tutorial like easel. Why you think its no longer necessary ? Which advance in GT replaces easel ?

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