Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
NEO packages are a target since a while now. But, we need a use case first.
The same goes for Artifact.
Anyone wants to play with this?
Doru
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.comwrote:
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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It is much better to have - working configuration - load on demand Else we will end up with spaghetti.
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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Exactly. But, at least for CSV we have a need to export groups. So, it would fit.
JSON would also be nice to have by default, just like we have XML.
Doru
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Pharo4Stef pharo4Stef@free.fr wrote:
It is much better to have - working configuration - load on demand Else we will end up with spaghetti.
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the
moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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CSV and JSON and the most useful file formats to export data between Pharo and any other software.
CSV is for any desktop software (Excel, R, ) and JSON for the web.
Moreover there are easier to read than a XML file.
We use the NeoJSON API for Moose On Web (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~VincentBlondeau/MooseOnWeb ) to export the Moose entities through a REST API.
Last week, I have wanted to export some moose data to CSV to do some statistics with it. I searched on smalltalkhub and in the image CSV and I found no CSV writer.
So I wrote it by myself because its faster to write than to search a package in the World Wide Web and I didnt remember Neo
To me, NeoCSV and NeoJSON should be integrated in Moose.
For Artefact, I think PDF is not always used in the Moose projects. The load on demand is a better option.
Vincent
De : moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch] De la part de Tudor Girba Envoyé : dimanche 30 mars 2014 09:07 À : Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: Artifacts, Neo in the base image?
Exactly. But, at least for CSV we have a need to export groups. So, it would fit.
JSON would also be nice to have by default, just like we have XML.
Doru
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Pharo4Stef pharo4Stef@free.fr wrote:
It is much better to have - working configuration - load on demand Else we will end up with spaghetti.
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose
image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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Vincent
I want more: We should integrate all the projects of SmalltalkHub because they are cool and useful. The point is loading a package is not that complex. Loading everthing by default is the best recipe to get a fat and monolithic system. IT IS EASIER TO LOAD THAN UNLOAD a package believe me.
Stef
CSV and JSON and the most useful file formats to export data between Pharo and any other software. CSV is for any desktop software (Excel, R,…) and JSON for the web. Moreover there are easier to read than a XML file.
We use the NeoJSON API for Moose On Web (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~VincentBlondeau/MooseOnWeb ) to export the Moose entities through a REST API.
Last week, I have wanted to export some moose data to CSV to do some statistics with it. I searched on smalltalkhub and in the image CSV and I found no CSV writer. So I wrote it by myself because it’s faster to write than to search a package in the World Wide Web and I didn’t remember Neo…
To me, NeoCSV and NeoJSON should be integrated in Moose.
For Artefact, I think PDF is not always used in the Moose projects. The load on demand is a better option.
Vincent
De : moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch] De la part deTudor Girba Envoyé : dimanche 30 mars 2014 09:07 À : Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: Artifacts, Neo in the base image?
Exactly. But, at least for CSV we have a need to export groups. So, it would fit.
JSON would also be nice to have by default, just like we have XML.
Doru
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Pharo4Stef pharo4Stef@free.fr wrote: It is much better to have - working configuration - load on demand Else we will end up with spaghetti.
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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Vincent
I want more: We should integrate all the projects of SmalltalkHub because they are cool and useful. The point is loading a package is not that complex. Loading everthing by default is the best recipe to get a fat and monolithic system. IT IS EASIER TO LOAD THAN UNLOAD a package believe me.
I would really like that they there is a consensus on what is loaded or not into moose because this is our system!
Stef
On 30 Mar 2014, at 10:16, Vincent BLONDEAU vincent.blondeau@polytech-lille.net wrote:
CSV and JSON and the most useful file formats to export data between Pharo and any other software. CSV is for any desktop software (Excel, R,…) and JSON for the web. Moreover there are easier to read than a XML file.
We use the NeoJSON API for Moose On Web (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~VincentBlondeau/MooseOnWeb ) to export the Moose entities through a REST API.
Last week, I have wanted to export some moose data to CSV to do some statistics with it. I searched on smalltalkhub and in the image CSV and I found no CSV writer. So I wrote it by myself because it’s faster to write than to search a package in the World Wide Web and I didn’t remember Neo…
To me, NeoCSV and NeoJSON should be integrated in Moose.
For Artefact, I think PDF is not always used in the Moose projects. The load on demand is a better option.
Vincent
De : moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch] De la part deTudor Girba Envoyé : dimanche 30 mars 2014 09:07 À : Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: Artifacts, Neo in the base image?
Exactly. But, at least for CSV we have a need to export groups. So, it would fit.
JSON would also be nice to have by default, just like we have XML.
Doru
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Pharo4Stef pharo4Stef@free.fr wrote: It is much better to have - working configuration - load on demand Else we will end up with spaghetti.
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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De : moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch] De la part de Pharo4Stef Envoyé : mardi 1 avril 2014 08:30 À : Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: Artifacts, Neo in the base image?
Vincent
I want more: We should integrate all the projects of SmalltalkHub because they are cool and useful.
Ok ! So load everything ;)
The point is loading a package is not that complex. Loading everthing by default is the best recipe to get a fat and monolithic system. IT IS EASIER TO LOAD THAN UNLOAD a package believe me.
I trust you.
I would really like that they there is a consensus on what is loaded or not into moose because this is our system!
I agree and it is a nice system! I just gave my point of view.
By the way, if we won't integrate them by default in moose, maybe we should reference them as "reliable" projects somewhere? On Smalltalkhub there is not yet search tool to query the project tags or descriptions.
I know there is a meta repo created (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoProjectCatalog/HTML_Report/). And this is a good step! But is it planned that we can query it ? Because there is yet almost 200 projects recorded but I don't want to see each one to check if its purpose can be helpful to mine...
Cheers,
Vincent
Stef
On 30 Mar 2014, at 10:16, Vincent BLONDEAU <vincent.blondeau@polytech-lille.netmailto:vincent.blondeau@polytech-lille.net> wrote:
CSV and JSON and the most useful file formats to export data between Pharo and any other software. CSV is for any desktop software (Excel, R,...) and JSON for the web. Moreover there are easier to read than a XML file.
We use the NeoJSON API for Moose On Web (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~VincentBlondeau/MooseOnWeb ) to export the Moose entities through a REST API.
Last week, I have wanted to export some moose data to CSV to do some statistics with it. I searched on smalltalkhub and in the image CSV and I found no CSV writer. So I wrote it by myself because it's faster to write than to search a package in the World Wide Web and I didn't remember Neo...
To me, NeoCSV and NeoJSON should be integrated in Moose.
For Artefact, I think PDF is not always used in the Moose projects. The load on demand is a better option.
Vincent
De : moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.chmailto:moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@iam.unibe.ch] De la part deTudor Girba Envoyé : dimanche 30 mars 2014 09:07 À : Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: Artifacts, Neo in the base image?
Exactly. But, at least for CSV we have a need to export groups. So, it would fit.
JSON would also be nice to have by default, just like we have XML.
Doru
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef@free.frmailto:pharo4Stef@free.fr> wrote: It is much better to have - working configuration - load on demand Else we will end up with spaghetti.
Hi!
I have the impression it makes sense to have Artifact and Neo in the moose image. These tools are important.
What do you think?
Alexandre
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