Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
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As I know there is no support for rotation.
Jura
El 28-08-2013, a las 5:46, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm escribió:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
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Indeed, there is no support yet, but at least in Athens, this should be easy to implement, right?
Doru
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Juraj Kubelka juraj.kubelka@gmail.comwrote:
As I know there is no support for rotation.
Jura
El 28-08-2013, a las 5:46, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm escribió:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal
visualization. Is
there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-... ),
but as there was no answer i repost it here .
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Hi Martin,
Sorry for the late reply.
Currently, Roassal does not support such a feature. However you can get something close to.
| view | view := ROView new. -15 to: 10 do: [ :i | view add: ((ROLabel verticalText interlineSpace: i) elementOn: 'hello world'). ]. ROHorizontalLineLayout on: view elements. view open
In Roassal 1.422
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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Hi Juraj,
It was not a criticism, but more of an encouragement :).
Here is what I mean: Right now, we have a project that is exclusively dedicated to algorithms: Moose-Algos. It is small, and these algorithms can be easily used without anything else. In your case, RODependencyMatrixBuilder is packaged together with Roassal-specific code and it requires Roassal. So, the algorithm will not be used without Roassal.
We should take care of this issue from the start, and package the algorithm separately.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka juraj.kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm.
Cheers, Jura
El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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Great.
But, I suggest that you keep an eye on a different approach, too: take a look at what exists now and see if you cannot already reuse or build on it :)
Doru
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Juraj Kubelka juraj.kubelka@gmail.comwrote:
OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm.
Cheers, Jura
El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com
wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder
is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project
redefines its own algo.
Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of
under RO
and I agree with him. Stef
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com
escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In
particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com
wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your
example. Is it something you are working on?
Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the
top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join
forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal
visualization. Is
there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-... ),
but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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Good point, I will, thanks.
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El 03-09-2013, a las 15:51, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Great.
But, I suggest that you keep an eye on a different approach, too: take a look at what exists now and see if you cannot already reuse or build on it :)
Doru
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Juraj Kubelka juraj.kubelka@gmail.com wrote: OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm.
Cheers, Jura
El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm.
ok but did you look into Moose-DSM because it was the second rewrite at least.
Cheers, Jura
El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi, i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image.
I also asked this on Stackoverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), but as there was no answer i repost it here .
http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png M.
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El 03-09-2013, a las 15:52, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I think I understand, when it is mature enough, I will follow this discussion. At first I want to proof the concept and when I now it is worth do keep it, I will ask community how to integrate it into Moose-Dsm.
ok but did you look into Moose-DSM because it was the second rewrite at least.
You are right, I have not spent much time to understand Moose-DSM. A bit while I was transforming visualisations from Mondrian to Roassal. I have not suppose a much correlation between my experiments and Moose-DSM. The intention is to create a easy to use framework for matrix representation. The same purpose as ROMondrianViewBuilder. It should be easy to build matrix while user define column and row axes and corresponding values for each column and row. And inside of each (x, y) cell can define another view.
Cheers, Jura
Cheers, Jura
El 03-09-2013, a las 1:52, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Juraj Kubelka Juraj.Kubelka@gmail.com wrote:
How do you mean the cohesion? The mentioned RODependencyMatrixBuilder is intended to be a general framework for matrixes. Then it can be used to, for example, improvements of Moose-Dsm. Or is there something I missed? Thanks.
What doru wants to say is that it is not wise that every project redefines its own algo. Why not improving or packaging the dependencyBuilder in DSM instead of under RO and I agree with him. Stef
Cheers, Jura
El 01-09-2013, a las 15:15, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com escribió:
Hi,
As you know, I like this effort.
However, I would want to see more cohesion with the rest of Moose. In particular, you seem to build a DSM algorithm from scratch. However, one already exists in Moose-Dsm-Core. Perhaps the existing implementation needs improvement, but the idea is that the algorithm should be reusable outside of the visualization. It would be great to build on each other's works.
Cheers, Doru
On Sep 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Consider:
| view builder | view := ROView new. builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: (Array with: true with: false). builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. builder gapSize: 0.
builder on: view. view open
<Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png>
Another example: | view builder objects | objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. view := ROView new. view @ RODraggable.
builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. builder model: objects. " builder noVerticalShape." builder dependency: #superclass. builder gapSize: 0. builder on: view. view open <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png>
If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces...
how to load Juraj's code: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; load. (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse.
Look at the ROMatrixExample class
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Hi, > i could not find a way to get vertical labels in a Roassal visualization. Is > there a way? Or a general way to rotate elements? See attached image. > > I also asked this on Stackoverflow > (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18416989/how-to-get-vertical-labels-with-...), > but as there was no answer i repost it here . > > http://forum.world.st/file/n4705387/vertical_labels.png > M. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-get-vertical-labels-with-Roassal-tp4705387.html > Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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abergel wrote
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Thank you. I was indeed looking for a possibility to draw a DSM with Roassal. Juraj's work looks very nice. I experimented to visualize the relationship between Test Cases and their respective Methods Under Test (using your Spy framework btw.). Martin.
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Great. Do you already have working examples?
Let's try to coordinate and work together :).
Doru
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abergel wrote
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Thank you. I was indeed looking for a possibility to draw a DSM with Roassal. Juraj's work looks very nice. I experimented to visualize the relationship between Test Cases and their respective Methods Under Test (using your Spy framework btw.). Martin.
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Excellent! Will you be at esug ?
Alexandre
On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:45 PM, MartinW wm@fastmail.fm wrote:
abergel wrote
On a different topic, I have seen you have used a DSM on your example. Is it something you are working on? Juraj has started to work on it. He has produced a new builder at the top of Roassal.
Thank you. I was indeed looking for a possibility to draw a DSM with Roassal. Juraj's work looks very nice. I experimented to visualize the relationship between Test Cases and their respective Methods Under Test (using your Spy framework btw.). Martin.
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