26 Jun
2014
26 Jun
'14
8:25 a.m.
Hi guys
Can we get playground not hidding the old workspace?
The textselection is awfull.
Why do we sacrifice what is working in Pharo?
Some keybindings are not working,
registerToolsOn: registry
"Add ourselves to registry. See [Smalltalk tools]"
"self registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools"
registry register: self as: #playground
SmalltalkImage current resetTools is broken on Moose :(
Great!
Workspace registerToolsOn: SmalltalkImage current tools
Then why the theme does not support correctly the display of incomplete class names and
selector?
I will really consider to ask the rmod team to make its own Moose build with decent
default
because this is each time the same story instead of having the time to fix a problem
(snapshotcello is not working with latest moose
then I lose times to fix the system to work as good as the default pharo).
Stef
26 Jun
26 Jun
8:33 a.m.
That’s why I’ve created the Moose-less build[1], so everyone can set up image on his own
by startup actions.
Uko
[1]
https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-5.0/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/moose-…
On 26 Jun 2014, at 08:25, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
Can we get playground not hidding the old workspace?
The textselection is awfull.
Why do we sacrifice what is working in Pharo?
Some keybindings are not working,
registerToolsOn: registry
"Add ourselves to registry. See [Smalltalk tools]"
"self registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools"
registry register: self as: #playground
SmalltalkImage current resetTools is broken on Moose :(
Great!
Workspace registerToolsOn: SmalltalkImage current tools
Then why the theme does not support correctly the display of incomplete class names and
selector?
I will really consider to ask the rmod team to make its own Moose build with decent
default
because this is each time the same story instead of having the time to fix a problem
(snapshotcello is not working with latest moose
then I lose times to fix the system to work as good as the default pharo).
Stef
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10:43 a.m.
Good morning, Stef! :)
I will try my best to answer the content of your mails.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr
wrote:
Hi guys
Can we get playground not hidding the old workspace?
That is the whole point of the GT: to replace the existing tools. The
points you mention below are really tiny (at least from my point of view).
The textselection is awfull.
It should not be. Besides the click-pause-click (instead of double-click)
to select, is there anything else that is missing?
Why do we sacrifice what is working in Pharo?
We do not. But, please keep in mind that we are still developing it. 's
just that we moved all tools to Rubric since recently because
PluggableTextMorph cannot be used for future developments. And in the
process, we are refactoring a bit Rubric to be more malleable and use
keymapping and allow for more flexible syntax highlighting.
Some keybindings are not working
Which ones? I am working specifically on this since a week to get it to
work properly on Windows as well.
registerToolsOn: registry
"Add ourselves to registry. See [Smalltalk tools]"
"self registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools"
registry register: self as: #playground
SmalltalkImage current resetTools is broken on Moose :(
Great!
Sorry for that. I never used resetTools. We should add a test for this.
Btw, now that I look at resetTools, it does not even work properly even if
you use it outside of Moose. The world menu is messed up. The Nautilus is
the simpler one. Essentially, the outcome of using that one is kind of
random (look at the implementation). So, it's good you bring it up because
we should talk about it in the Pharo mailing list.
Workspace registerToolsOn: SmalltalkImage current tools
Yes. This is the way things are meant to be used, is it not? Why is this an
issue?! You can just do this without the resetTools and it should work out
of the box.
Then why the theme does not support correctly the display of incomplete
class names and selector?
It does! It shows them in gray. What is wrong there?
I will really consider to ask the rmod team to make
its own Moose build
with decent default
because this is each time the same story instead of having the time to fix
a problem (snapshotcello is not working with latest moose
then I lose times to fix the system to work as good as the default pharo).
I hope you don't. I believe that every time people had problems we could
react quite fast and we focused on fixing the problems. Please keep the
game fair.
Cheers,
Doru
Stef
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12:15 p.m.
That is the whole point of the GT: to replace the
existing tools. The
points you mention below are really tiny (at least from my point of view).
Ok so I will do a new version of Moose without it. This idea of not
letting the choice to people is really bad but you will not change it
so I will adapt myself and create something else.
Because if I have to choose between tools where I'm efficient and
experimental tools. I decided.
I asked the questions but I knew your answers. You do not want to listen
to people and I'm sad but
I cannot do much.
I want to control the energy I spent and how I spend it. So now I know
that I should invest in a Moose-less solution.
I knew it before too but I was trying another time but I'm stupid to
have thought that you could understand
that other people can think differently.
The textselection is awfull.
It should not be. Besides the click-pause-click (instead of
double-click) to select, is there anything else that is missing?
I cannot test it anymore because I do not have playground around in my
image.
Why do we sacrifice what is working in Pharo?
We do not. But, please keep in mind that we are still developing it.
's just that we moved all tools to Rubric since recently because
PluggableTextMorph cannot be used for future developments. And in the
process, we are refactoring a bit Rubric to be more malleable and use
keymapping and allow for more flexible syntax highlighting.
Good for you. But again you do not respect/listen people using Moose for
real. Else you would behave differently.
Now I do not accept that people cut my fingers when I need to type fast.
Some keybindings are not working
Which ones? I am working specifically on this since a week to get it
to work properly on Windows as well.
No idea. I lost my text and realize that this
not happening in default
Pharo.
I cannot stop to work find a complex bugs to think about all the glitches
registerToolsOn: registry
"Add ourselves to registry. See [Smalltalk tools]"
"self registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools"
registry register: self as: #playground
SmalltalkImage current resetTools is broken on Moose :(
Great!
Sorry for that. I never used resetTools. We should add a test for this.
Btw, now that I look at resetTools, it does not even work properly
even if you use it outside of Moose. The world menu is messed up. The
Nautilus is the simpler one. Essentially, the outcome of using that
one is kind of random (look at the implementation). So, it's good you
bring it up because we should talk about it in the Pharo mailing list.
I fixed nautilus in Pharo too.
Workspace registerToolsOn: SmalltalkImage current tools
Yes. This is the way things are meant to be used, is it not? Why is
this an issue?! You can just do this without the resetTools and it
should work out of the box.
Then why the theme does not support correctly the display of
incomplete class names and selector?
It does! It shows them in gray. What is wrong there?
I will really consider to ask the rmod team to make its own Moose
build with decent default
because this is each time the same story instead of having the
time to fix a problem (snapshotcello is not working with latest moose
then I lose times to fix the system to work as good as the default
pharo).
I hope you don't. I believe that every time people had problems we
could react quite fast and we focused on fixing the problems. Please
keep the game fair.
Cheers,
Doru
Stef
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