Hi, You should probably ask Stéphane Ducasse. If i remember well they are working on porting CodeCity to Pharo. cheers, Andrea On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

He is very active on this mailing list. You have good chances that he will reply to this thread :) On Aug 13, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Torben Knerr wrote:

Hi Alexandre, On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: I remember that Richard Wettel once mentioned in an email that the Moose community were driven to port the whole toolchain to Pharo because Cincom would not allow to use it in a commercial environment. Looks like Code City was not ported then, otherwise you would probably know :-) The main reason for sticking with VisualWorks was that there was no replacement for JUN in Pharo, Richard said. Looks like the FAQ on the Code City homepage (http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/wettel/codecity-faq.html) was misleading to me: """ 1. Can I use CodeCity for commercial purposes? Unfortunately, not. CodeCity is developed in VisualWorks Smalltalk under an academic non-commercial license and its use is therefore limited to non-commercial. """ Now that I actually read the license agreement (http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/cincom/blogView?content=nc_license) I believe it would be even possible to use it commercially within an 90 days evaluation period. After that I would need to get a commercial license for VisualWorks - exactly as you said. Thanks, Torben

I do not think so. We are talking about different thing. If a company has already bought VisualWorks, then it can use Moose, CodeCity and Jun for free. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

A final remark Torben if you sell assessment reports built based on Moose (even if moose is open-source) you will have to pay a license for VisualWorks. As soon as you make money from the outcome of something running with VisualWorks you have to pay them a license fee. This is also why we moved to Pharo. Stef

I answered Stef yes Alexandre On Aug 20, 2012, at 2:23 AM, Torben Knerr <ukio(a)gmx.de> wrote: -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.