7 Jul
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2:26 p.m.
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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2:35 p.m.
Indeed. I noticed this, too.
But, I do not know what to do about it.
Just to avoid going in the tool issue again. Could you reproduce this
problem on a plain Pharo3 + Roassal image? Then we can announce the image
on the Pharo mailing list and see if we can get help.
Cheers,
Doru
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Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal
visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using
Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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2:46 p.m.
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not
UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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2:57 p.m.
I see what you mean, but Spec is not the solution for all these issues. Sometimes you
need labels on nodes or edges and these suffer from the same font issues :-(
On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for
drop down lists and buttons?
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not
UI builder.
Uko
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Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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3:02 p.m.
Yes, that’s why I’ve wrote that labels are important anyway.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:57, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
I see what you mean, but Spec is not the solution for all these issues. Sometimes you
need labels on nodes or edges and these suffer from the same font issues :-(
On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI
for drop down lists and buttons?
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not
UI builder.
Uko
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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for
drop down lists and buttons?
Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is
simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
Alexandre
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not
UI builder.
Uko
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Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Yes, I know. I’m just pushing towards rich infrastructure. I think I’ll try to do
something similar in spec, and let you know if it will work.
Uko
Maybe there is
a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is
simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
Alexandre
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not
UI builder.
Uko
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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Ok
Alexandre
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On 07 Jul 2014, at 15:09, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Yes, I know. I’m just pushing towards rich infrastructure. I think I’ll try to do
something similar in spec, and let you know if it will work.
Uko
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Maybe
there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is
simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
Alexandre
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Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not
UI builder.
Uko
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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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2:43 p.m.
Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from
the world menu
Alexandre
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Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
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Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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No, the one that you’ve added to your email. I want to try to recreate it with spec
widgets.
Uko
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Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the
Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
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Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
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This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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6:30 p.m.
You can have a look at RTMenuBuilder.
The example I’ve sent in the email is part of a personal project.
Alexandre
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No, the one that you’ve added to your email. I want to
try to recreate it with spec widgets.
Uko
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Which view? To see the font problem? Just open
the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
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<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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5:41 p.m.
Alexandre, would that work if we use two different FreeType fonts: one
for Morphic, one for Roassal?
I remember Igor saying something about font caching problems.
Thierry
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Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the
Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
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Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a
separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal
visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly
using Cairo on SDL.
do you think that it will solve your problem? I do not think
so. I will
just make the system more complex. You should not have a direct
dependency to SDL else you will break the idea behind OS window.
What will happen if the platform does not have SDL installed like my
machine?
The solution is to try to get a reproducible case else how can we try to
fix when it does not happen on our machines
and also to try to see if using a different fonts is actually resolving
the problems.
Stef
9:40 p.m.
Alex please pay attention that your end-users should not be impacted by
the different libraries you will be using
For example I doubt that synectique want to impose to its clients to
install SDL2.
So this would kill Roassal for us.
Stef
This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal
visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly
using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers,
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