26 Jun
2014
26 Jun
'14
3:29 p.m.
Hi,
I have removed the Whitespace Theme from the default setup of Moose and
Glamorous Toolkit.
Here are the reasons:
- The theme is judged through the point of view of Nautilus. It is true
that Nautilus does not look good. This is rather unfortunate given that it
seems to be irrelevant that Nautilus does not good regardless of the theme,
but that is life and I want to move on.
- The recent negative discourses mixed concerns about GT with the one about
the theme. While I still consider theme-ing a relevant topic, GT is an
order of magnitude more important and I would like to keep the discussion
clean to help us focus on what is important.
At the moment, this means that the Pharo theme will be used. This will
change as soon as another theme will work with Nautilus, or until we have a
replacement coding experience.
I hope we can go forward with a constructive mindset again.
Cheers,
Tudor
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www.tudorgirba.com
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26 Jun
26 Jun
4:37 p.m.
Tx.
I do not like the pharo grey theme but I can see the dropbox.
Now can you also make sure that GT does not hijack the inspector, workspace?
So that we can decide the tools we want to use.
Stef
On 26/6/14 15:29, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
I have removed the Whitespace Theme from the default setup of Moose
and Glamorous Toolkit.
Here are the reasons:
- The theme is judged through the point of view of Nautilus. It is
true that Nautilus does not look good. This is rather unfortunate
given that it seems to be irrelevant that Nautilus does not good
regardless of the theme, but that is life and I want to move on.
- The recent negative discourses mixed concerns about GT with the one
about the theme. While I still consider theme-ing a relevant topic, GT
is an order of magnitude more important and I would like to keep the
discussion clean to help us focus on what is important.
At the moment, this means that the Pharo theme will be used. This will
change as soon as another theme will work with Nautilus, or until we
have a replacement coding experience.
I hope we can go forward with a constructive mindset again.
Cheers,
Tudor
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4:49 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:37 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Tx.
You are welcome.
I do not like the pharo grey theme but I can see the
dropbox.
Now can you also make sure that GT does not hijack the inspector,
workspace?
No :). See my other mail.
So that we can decide the tools we want to use.
The whole point of the registration mechanism in Pharo was precisely
conceived to make room for other implementations. In this spirit, you can
just install the regular once from the image:
EyeInspector registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
SpecDebugger registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
Workspace registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
I do not understand where is the problem with this. In fact, it is because
of the GT tools that we can have a clean separation in the default Pharo
tools (they were seriously entangled before) so that we can make sure they
are unloadable.
Doru
Stef
On 26/6/14 15:29, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
I have removed the Whitespace Theme from the default setup of Moose and
Glamorous Toolkit.
Here are the reasons:
- The theme is judged through the point of view of Nautilus. It is true
that Nautilus does not look good. This is rather unfortunate given that it
seems to be irrelevant that Nautilus does not good regardless of the theme,
but that is life and I want to move on.
- The recent negative discourses mixed concerns about GT with the one
about the theme. While I still consider theme-ing a relevant topic, GT is
an order of magnitude more important and I would like to keep the
discussion clean to help us focus on what is important.
At the moment, this means that the Pharo theme will be used. This will
change as soon as another theme will work with Nautilus, or until we have a
replacement coding experience.
I hope we can go forward with a constructive mindset again.
Cheers,
Tudor
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www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
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5:04 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:37 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Would it be good to provide a menu entry in Moose to reset tools so that
people do not inadvertently freeze their image when reseting them manually.
Tx.
You are welcome.
I do not like the pharo grey theme but I can see
the dropbox.
Now can you also make sure that GT does not hijack the inspector,
workspace?
No :). See my other mail.
So that we can decide the tools we want to use.
The whole point of the registration mechanism in Pharo was precisely
conceived to make room for other implementations. In this spirit, you can
just install the regular once from the image:
EyeInspector registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
SpecDebugger registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
Workspace registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
I do not understand where is the problem with this. In fact, it is because
of the GT tools that we can have a clean separation in the default Pharo
tools (they were seriously entangled before) so that we can make sure they
are unloadable.
Doru
Stef
On 26/6/14 15:29, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
I have removed the Whitespace Theme from the default setup of Moose and
Glamorous Toolkit.
Here are the reasons:
- The theme is judged through the point of view of Nautilus. It is true
that Nautilus does not look good. This is rather unfortunate given that it
seems to be irrelevant that Nautilus does not good regardless of the theme,
but that is life and I want to move on.
- The recent negative discourses mixed concerns about GT with the one
about the theme. While I still consider theme-ing a relevant topic, GT is
an order of magnitude more important and I would like to keep the
discussion clean to help us focus on what is important.
At the moment, this means that the Pharo theme will be used. This will
change as soon as another theme will work with Nautilus, or until we have a
replacement coding experience.
I hope we can go forward with a constructive mindset again.
Cheers,
Tudor
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www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
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5:11 p.m.
On 26 Jun 2014, at 17:04, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:37 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Tx.
You are welcome.
I do not like the pharo grey theme but I can see the dropbox.
Now can you also make sure that GT does not hijack the inspector, workspace?
No :). See my other mail.
So that we can decide the tools we want to use.
The whole point of the registration mechanism in Pharo was precisely conceived to make
room for other implementations. In this spirit, you can just install the regular once from
the image:
EyeInspector registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
SpecDebugger registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
Workspace registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools.
Would it be good to provide a menu entry in Moose to reset tools so that people do not
inadvertently freeze their image when reseting them manually.
You can just add this to startup script. https://gist.github.com/Uko/7672537#file-tools-st
I do not understand where is the problem with this. In fact, it is because of the GT
tools that we can have a clean separation in the default Pharo tools (they were seriously
entangled before) so that we can make sure they are unloadable.
Doru
Stef
On 26/6/14 15:29, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
I have removed the Whitespace Theme from the default setup of Moose and Glamorous
Toolkit.
Here are the reasons:
- The theme is judged through the point of view of Nautilus. It is true that Nautilus
does not look good. This is rather unfortunate given that it seems to be irrelevant that
Nautilus does not good regardless of the theme, but that is life and I want to move on.
- The recent negative discourses mixed concerns about GT with the one about the theme.
While I still consider theme-ing a relevant topic, GT is an order of magnitude more
important and I would like to keep the discussion clean to help us focus on what is
important.
At the moment, this means that the Pharo theme will be used. This will change as soon as
another theme will work with Nautilus, or until we have a replacement coding experience.
I hope we can go forward with a constructive mindset again.
Cheers,
Tudor
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