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Alexandre Bergel

29 Jul 2015 29 Jul '15

3:26 p.m.

Hi! Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= b := RTMondrian new. b shape rectangle if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. b edges connectFrom: #parent. b normalizer normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. b layout tree. b -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a file may show you the content and other things. You can also use the cluster layout: I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Dimitris Chloupis

29 Jul 29 Jul

4:24 p.m.

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that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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Alexandre Bergel

4:53 p.m.

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Oh… sorry. Was not my intention Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Hi! Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= b := RTMondrian new. b shape rectangle if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. b edges connectFrom: #parent. b normalizer normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. b layout tree. b -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a file may show you the content and other things. <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> You can also use the cluster layout: <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Dimitris Chloupis

5:26 p.m.

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thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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wrote: that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com

wrote: Hi!

Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

b := RTMondrian new.

b shape rectangle if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. b edges connectFrom: #parent. b normalizer normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. b layout tree. b -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a file may show you the content and other things.

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png

> You can also use the cluster layout:

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png

> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents.

> Cheers, > Alexandre

-- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Alexandre Bergel

7:15 p.m.

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On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Oh… sorry. Was not my intention Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote:

that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:

Hi! Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

b := RTMondrian new. b shape rectangle if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. b edges connectFrom: #parent. b normalizer normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. b layout tree. b -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a file may show you the content and other things.

You can also use the cluster layout:

I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. Cheers, Alexandre

-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dimitris Chloupis

9:33 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it from work which is 8 times faster. I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new configuration browser). On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible. Can I have a look at your image? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

wrote: that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com

wrote: Hi!

Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

b := RTMondrian new.

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png

> You can also use the cluster layout:

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png

> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents.

> Cheers, > Alexandre

-- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Tudor Girba

9:48 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

Hi, You likely have a very extensive folder structure underneath. The script collects all files from all nested folders and that can be slow and you image will be blocked in the meantime. Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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wrote: that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Hi!

Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

b := RTMondrian new.

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png

> You can also use the cluster layout:

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png

> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents.

> Cheers, > Alexandre

-- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Dimitris Chloupis

10:01 p.m.

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ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if each contains 100 files in its own subfolders. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:50 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:

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Oh… sorry. Was not my intention Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Hi! > > Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a > playground: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > b := RTMondrian new. > > b shape rectangle > if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. > b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > b edges connectFrom: #parent. > b normalizer > normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > b layout tree. > b > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a > file may show you the content and other things. > <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > > You can also use the cluster layout: > <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > > I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Sven Van Caekenberghe

10 p.m.

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On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it from work which is 8 times faster.

If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to maybe 20/30 MB. This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot of data. Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness.

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On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Oh… sorry. Was not my intention Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Hi! Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= b := RTMondrian new. b shape rectangle if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. b edges connectFrom: #parent. b normalizer normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. b layout tree. b -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a file may show you the content and other things. <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> You can also use the cluster layout: <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Dimitris Chloupis

10:25 p.m.

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On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped)

for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it from work which is 8 times faster. If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to maybe 20/30 MB. This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot of data. Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness.

I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with

pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters.

I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new

configuration browser).

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source

code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible.

Can I have a look at your image? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b

but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ?

> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

>> >> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

>> Hi! >> >> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a

playground:

>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> b := RTMondrian new. >> >> b shape rectangle >> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color

red.

>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> b normalizer >> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> b layout tree. >> b >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a

file may show you the content and other things.

<Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> You can also use the cluster layout: <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

10:28 p.m.

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Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped)

I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with

pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters.

I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new

configuration browser).

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source

code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible.

wrote:

> > thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the

b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ?

> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

>> Hi! >> >> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a

playground:

>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> b := RTMondrian new. >> >> b shape rectangle >> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color

red.

a file may show you the content and other things.

> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > > You can also use the cluster layout: > <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > > I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Dimitris Chloupis

10:45 p.m.

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Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that with this: "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:

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Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

wrote:

On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped)

I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with

pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters.

I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new

configuration browser).

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source

code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible.

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the

b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ?

> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel <

alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

>> Hi! >> >> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in

a playground:

>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> b := RTMondrian new. >> >> b shape rectangle >> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color:

Color red.

a file may show you the content and other things.

>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >> You can also use the cluster layout: >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Peter Uhnák

10:52 p.m.

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Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. Moose image 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 MB and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the folder first. Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes should usually suffice. Peter On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it from work which is 8 times faster. If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to maybe 20/30 MB. This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot of data. Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. > > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new configuration browser). > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible. > > Can I have a look at your image? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a playground: >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> b := RTMondrian new. >>> >>> b shape rectangle >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color red. >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >>> b normalizer >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >>> b layout tree. >>> b >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a file may show you the content and other things. >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >>> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >>> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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10:51 a.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. Maybe some food for thought. Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much RAM. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and github-cache prodominately. Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is normal. Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB > ziped) for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it > from work which is 8 times faster. > > If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? > > For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would > compress to maybe 20/30 MB. > > This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a > lot of data. > > Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > > > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are > folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. > > > > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new > configuration browser). > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the > source code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this > possible. > > > > Can I have a look at your image? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect > the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the > inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, > maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > >> > >> Alexandre > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following > in a playground: > >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>> b := RTMondrian new. > >>> > >>> b shape rectangle > >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: > Color red. > >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. > >>> b normalizer > >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > >>> b layout tree. > >>> b > >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>> > >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking > on a file may show you the content and other things. > >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > >>> > >>> You can also use the cluster layout: > >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > >>> > >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> -- > >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Moose-dev mailing list > >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Dimitris Chloupis

10:58 a.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

I tried also in UBUNTU with a Pharo 5 image I downloaded the above example but it gives me an error: Error: Could not find accessor for the variable named "aModuleName" in Nativeboost>>#loadModule: NBFFICallout>>loaderForArgNamed: NBFFICallout>>loaderForArgNamed:indirectIndex: NBFFICallout>>argName:indirectIndex:type:ptrArity: NBFnSpecParser>>parseArgument NBFnSpecParser>>parseArguments NBFnSpecParser>>parseAnonFunction: NBFFICallout>>anonSpec: [ :arg3 | | tmp2 | tmp2 := arg3. tmp2 useEmitCall; callType: conv; sender: context; parseOptions: options; anonSpec: arg1; generate: arg2 ] in NBFFICalloutAPI>>function:emit: in Block: [ :arg3 | ... [ tmp5 := arg1 value: (self newForMethod: tmp1) ] in NBFFICallout class(NBNativeCodeGen class)>>generateCode:andRetry: in Block: [ tmp5 := arg1 value: (self newForMethod: tmp1) ] BlockClosure>>on:do: NBRecursionDetect class>>in:during: NBFFICallout class(NBNativeCodeGen class)>>generateCode:andRetry: NBFFICallout class(NBNativeCodeGen class)>>handleFailureIn:nativeCode: NBFFICalloutAPI>>function:emit: NativeBoostLinux32(NativeBoost)>>loadModule: CairoLibraryLoader class>>loadCairoLibrary CairoLibraryLoader class>>getLibraryHandle AthensCairoSurface class>>nbLibraryNameOrHandle AthensCairoSurface class(Object)>>nbCall: AthensCairoSurface class>>primImage:width:height: AthensCairoSurface class>>extent:format: AthensCairoSurface class>>extent: TRCanvas>>initialize TRCanvas class(Behavior)>>new RTView>>initialize RTView class(Behavior)>>new RTMondrian(RTBuilder)>>createView RTMondrian>>createView RTMondrian(RTBuilder)>>initialize RTMondrian>>initialize On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:51 AM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other > folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and > github-cache prodominately. > > Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will > take me 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need > the image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is > normal. > > Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file > structures to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > >> >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB >> ziped) for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it >> from work which is 8 times faster. >> >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >> >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would >> compress to maybe 20/30 MB. >> >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store >> a lot of data. >> >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >> >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with >> pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are >> folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. >> > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >> configuration browser). >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel < >> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the >> source code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this >> possible. >> > >> > Can I have a look at your image? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect >> the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the >> inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, >> maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel < >> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> >> >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel < >> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >> >>> >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following >> in a playground: >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. >> >>> >> >>> b shape rectangle >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: >> Color red. >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> >>> b normalizer >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> >>> b layout tree. >> >>> b >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking >> on a file may show you the content and other things. >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >>> >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >>> >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is >> ~/Documents. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Alexandre >> >>> -- >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Peter Uhnák

11:26 a.m.

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs .

I usually do it because time to save an image increases with image size (so instead of ~instant for 60MB it takes couple seconds for 600 MB)... since I have HDD.

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I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically.

Dimitris Chloupis

11:38 a.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

Good point on both remarks. Obviously if the image size can be shrank down it is an advantage and most likely will boost performance as well making pharo experience snappier. That was my experience using Cuis ( http://www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html ) . About the benchmarks maybe use a common pharo command as a reference point (like Transcipt >> open) and then do the benchmark relative to that so the benchmark does not rely on absolute values that may differ from machine to machine. On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:28 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs .

I usually do it because time to save an image increases with image size (so instead of ~instant for 60MB it takes couple seconds for 600 MB)... since I have HDD.

We already sort of have that: TestAsserter>>should: aBlock notTakeMoreThanMilliseconds: anInteger Although I see a problem that each machine will have a different performance. So it would need to establish a baseline and then base the execution time on that. (e.g. execution shouldn't take more than 300% of a baseline). Peter _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Alexandre Bergel

5:31 p.m.

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On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. Maybe some food for thought. Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much RAM. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. Moose image 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 MB and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the folder first. Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes should usually suffice. Peter On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that with this: "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and github-cache prodominately. Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is normal. Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote:

On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it from work which is 8 times faster.

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8:39 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

Is it possible to use a treemap layout? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Oh… sorry. Was not my intention Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > Hi! > > Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a > playground: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > b := RTMondrian new. > > b shape rectangle > if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color > red. > b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > b edges connectFrom: #parent. > b normalizer > normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > b layout tree. > b > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a > file may show you the content and other things. > <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > > You can also use the cluster layout: > <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > > I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev>

H. Hirzel

8:40 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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Peter Uhnak

10:08 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

You should be able to specify all layouts available in roassal... b layout tree. b layout cluster. b layout force. ... Peter -----Original Message----- From: "H. Hirzel" <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> Sent: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 8:40 PM To: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch>ch>; "pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Script of the day Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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H. Hirzel

10:18 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

thanks, layout force is very nice. But my question is about a tree map. Like the one here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gradient_grouped_treemap.jpg treemap is not known. --Hannes On 7/30/15, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new configuration browser). On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible. Can I have a look at your image? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the > b > but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the > inspector > around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, > maybe > it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis >> <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in >> a >> playground: >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> b := RTMondrian new. >> >> b shape rectangle >> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: >> Color >> red. >> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> b normalizer >> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> b layout tree. >> b >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on >> a >> file may show you the content and other things. >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >> You can also use the cluster layout: >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev>

Tudor Girba

10:35 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. Here it is: http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI [image: Inline image 1] Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

obsession

> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . > > Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it > >

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

> <

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

> > I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. > > I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests > that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that > will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must

perform

> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only > unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. > > Maybe some food for thought. > > Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how

much

> RAM. > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com > <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: > Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time > without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. > > Moose image > 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 > MB > and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. > (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows > opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am > saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) > > But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the > folder first. > Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes > should usually suffice. > > Peter > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that > with this: > > "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders > (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised

> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com > <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other > folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and > github-cache prodominately. > > Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take

> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the > image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is > normal. > > Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures > to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) > > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it > > from work which is 8 times faster. > > If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? > > For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress

> maybe 20/30 MB. > > This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a

lot

> of data. > > Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > > > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with > > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84

items

> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. > > > > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new > > configuration browser). > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source > > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this > > possible. > > > > Can I have a look at your image? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect

the b

> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the

inspector

> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items,

maybe

> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel > >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > >> > >> Alexandre > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel > >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in

> >>> playground: > >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>> b := RTMondrian new. > >>> > >>> b shape rectangle > >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color:

Color

> >>> red. > >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. > >>> b normalizer > >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > >>> b layout tree. > >>> b > >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>> > >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking

on a

>> file may show you the content and other things. >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >> You can also use the cluster layout: >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev>

-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Alexandre Bergel

31 Jul 31 Jul

12:38 a.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Excellent! By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? Alexandre

...

I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new configuration browser). On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this possible. Can I have a look at your image? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b > but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector > around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe > it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a >> playground: >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> b := RTMondrian new. >> >> b shape rectangle >> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color >> red. >> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> b normalizer >> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> b layout tree. >> b >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a >> file may show you the content and other things. >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >> You can also use the cluster layout: >> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev>

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-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Tudor Girba

10:06 a.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Hi, I use it quite often. The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what are the leaves. Perhaps like this: b buildFrom: aRootNestingObject nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block looks like weight: [ :each | each isFile ifTrue: [each size max: 1] ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use case. So, I should only say: b leafWeight: [:file | file size] 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", but this is clumsy. This should be built in. The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

...

Excellent! By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? Alexandre

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation

for understanding the size of a file system.

Here it is: http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI <file-treemap.png> Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

>> wrote: >> >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the

obsession

>> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs

>> >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >> >>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

>> <

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

>> >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >> >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit

tests

>> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that >> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must

perform

>> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not

only

>> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >> >> Maybe some food for thought. >> >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how

much

>> RAM. >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time >> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >> >> Moose image >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save =>

237

>> MB >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows >> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I

>> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >> >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the >> folder first. >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes >> should usually suffice. >> >> Peter >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered

that

>> with this: >> >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders >> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be

surprised if

>> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned

folder?

>> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other >> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and >> github-cache prodominately. >> >> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will

take me

>> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is >> normal. >> >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file

structures

>> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB

ziped)

>> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it >> > from work which is 8 times faster. >> >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >> >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would

compress to

>> maybe 20/30 MB. >> >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store

a lot

>> of data. >> >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >> >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with >> > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84

items

>> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. >> > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >> > configuration browser). >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the

source

>> > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this >> > possible. >> > >> > Can I have a look at your image? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect

the b

>> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the

inspector

>> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items,

maybe

>> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> >> >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >> >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >> >>> >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following

in a

>> >>> playground: >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. >> >>> >> >>> b shape rectangle >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color:

Color

>> >>> red. >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> >>> b normalizer >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> >>> b layout tree. >> >>> b >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking

on a

>> >>> file may show you the content and other things. >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >>> >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >>> >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is

~/Documents.

>>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> -- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Alexandre Bergel

3:16 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Excellent! We will work on this! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

...

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. Here it is: http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI <http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI> <file-treemap.png> Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com <mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com>> wrote: Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0>> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. Maybe some food for thought. Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much RAM. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>>> wrote: Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. Moose image 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 MB and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the folder first. Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes should usually suffice. Peter On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>>> wrote: Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that with this: "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>>> wrote: Hi, But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>>> wrote: the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and github-cache prodominately. Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is normal. Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>>> wrote: > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it > from work which is 8 times faster. If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to maybe 20/30 MB. This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot of data. Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. > > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new > configuration browser). > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>>> wrote: > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this > possible. > > Can I have a look at your image? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> <http://www.bergel.eu/ <http://www.bergel.eu/>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>>> wrote: >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> <http://www.bergel.eu/ <http://www.bergel.eu/>> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>>> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a >>> playground: >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> b := RTMondrian new. >>> >>> b shape rectangle >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color >>> red. >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >>> b normalizer >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >>> b layout tree. >>> b >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a >>> file may show you the content and other things. >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >>> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >>> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> <http://www.bergel.eu/ <http://www.bergel.eu/>> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch>> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev>> 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21 Aug 21 Aug

12:52 a.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

...

Excellent! By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? Alexandre

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation

for understanding the size of a file system.

Here it is: http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI <file-treemap.png> Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. > I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

>> wrote: >> >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the

obsession

>> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in

TBs .

>> >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >> >>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

>> <

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

>> >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >> >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit

tests

>> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests

that

>> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must

perform

>> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not

only

>> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >> >> Maybe some food for thought. >> >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than

how much

237

I am

>> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >> >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup

the

>> folder first. >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image +

.changes

>> should usually suffice. >> >> Peter >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered

that

>> with this: >> >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13

folders

>> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be

surprised if

folder?

>> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

take me

>> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down

>> normal. >> >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file

structures

ziped)

>> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send

>> > from work which is 8 times faster. >> >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >> >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would

compress to

>> maybe 20/30 MB. >> >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store

a lot

items

source

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect

the b

>> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the

inspector

>> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items,

maybe

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

wrote:

>> >>> Hi! >> >>> >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following

in a

>> >>> playground: >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. >> >>> >> >>> b shape rectangle >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color:

Color

clicking on a

~/Documents.

> >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> -- > >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Moose-dev mailing list > >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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23 Aug 23 Aug

12:32 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

...

Excellent! By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? Alexandre

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation

for understanding the size of a file system.

Here it is: http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI <file-treemap.png> Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>

>> wrote: >> >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the

obsession

>> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in

TBs .

>> >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >> >>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

>> <

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0

>> >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >> >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit

tests

>> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests

that

>> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must

perform

>> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not

only

>> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >> >> Maybe some food for thought. >> >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than

how much

>> RAM. >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long

time

>> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >> >> Moose image >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save =>

237

>> MB >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19

windows

>> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and

I am

>> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >> >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup

the

>> folder first. >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image +

.changes

>> should usually suffice. >> >> Peter >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered

that

>> with this: >> >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13

folders

>> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be

surprised if

folder?

>> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

take me

>> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need

the

>> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down

>> normal. >> >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file

structures

>> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <

sven(a)stfx.eu

>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB

ziped)

>> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send

>> > from work which is 8 times faster. >> >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >> >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would

compress to

>> maybe 20/30 MB. >> >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to

store a lot

items

>> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that

matters.

>> > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >> > configuration browser). >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the

source

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

>> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to

inspect the b

>> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the

inspector

>> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84

items, maybe

>> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>>

wrote:

>> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> >> >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <

kilon.alios(a)gmail.com

wrote:

>> >>> Hi! >> >>> >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the

following in a

>> >>> playground: >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. >> >>> >> >>> b shape rectangle >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color:

Color

clicking on a

~/Documents.

>> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Alexandre >> >>> -- >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

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Alexandre Bergel

3:37 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Make sense to me Alexandre

...

Le 23 août 2015 à 07:32, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> a écrit : It looks great. The only place which still requires the if now is the specification of color. I think that for this builder, given that the shape is predefined, it makes sense to provide direct color manipulation in the builder: | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color green. Color red }. b color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; leafColor: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]; leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b What do you think? Cheers, Doru

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:52 AM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tudor, I've been working on this. The next piece of code shows an example in the file system. .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color green. Color red }. b shape color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; if: [ :f | f isFile ] color: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]. b leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b view .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= #explore:nesting:leaves: is related to the point 1, please tell me is that what you expected? #leaftWeight: selector is related to the point 2 and the point 3, The result for RTTreeMapBuilder the color means red = big file. This is the result for RTCircularTreeMapBuilder Cheers, Milton 2015-07-31 9:16 GMT-04:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>om>:

Excellent! We will work on this! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:06 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Hi, I use it quite often. The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what are the leaves. Perhaps like this: b buildFrom: aRootNestingObject nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block looks like weight: [ :each | each isFile ifTrue: [each size max: 1] ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use case. So, I should only say: b leafWeight: [:file | file size] 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", but this is clumsy. This should be built in. The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. Cheers, Doru > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Excellent! > > By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. > This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? > > Alexandre > > > > On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. > > > > Here it is: > > http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI > > > > <file-treemap.png> > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Is it possible to use a tree map? > > > > --Hannes > > > > On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > > I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. > > > I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said > > > > > > Alexandre > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession > > >> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . > > >> > > >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it > > >> > > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 > > >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> > > >> > > >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. > > >> > > >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests > > >> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that > > >> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform > > >> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only > > >> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. > > >> > > >> Maybe some food for thought. > > >> > > >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much > > >> RAM. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com > > >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time > > >> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. > > >> > > >> Moose image > > >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 > > >> MB > > >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. > > >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows > > >> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am > > >> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) > > >> > > >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the > > >> folder first. > > >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes > > >> should usually suffice. > > >> > > >> Peter > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that > > >> with this: > > >> > > >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders > > >> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if > > >> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com > > >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Doru > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other > > >> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and > > >> github-cache prodominately. > > >> > > >> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me > > >> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the > > >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is > > >> normal. > > >> > > >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures > > >> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > > >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > >> > > >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) > > >> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it > > >> > from work which is 8 times faster. > > >> > > >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? > > >> > > >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to > > >> maybe 20/30 MB. > > >> > > >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot > > >> of data. > > >> > > >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > > >> > > >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with > > >> > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items > > >> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. > > >> > > > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new > > >> > configuration browser). > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel > > >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source > > >> > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this > > >> > possible. > > >> > > > >> > Can I have a look at your image? > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > Alexandre > > >> > -- > > >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > > >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b > > >> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector > > >> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe > > >> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > > >> >> > > >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel > > >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > > >> >> > > >> >> Alexandre > > >> >> -- > > >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > > >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel > > >> >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> Hi! > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a > > >> >>> playground: > > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> b shape rectangle > > >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color > > >> >>> red. > > >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > > >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. > > >> >>> b normalizer > > >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > > >> >>> b layout tree. > > >> >>> b > > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >> >>> > > >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a > > >> >>> file may show you the content and other things. > > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: > > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Cheers, > > >> >>> Alexandre > > >> >>> -- > > >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > > >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Moose-dev mailing list > > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Moose-dev mailing list > > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> > > >> > > >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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milton mamani

24 Aug 24 Aug

7:38 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Done, check with the last version of Roassal | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color gray. Color red }. b color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; leafColor: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]; leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b view [image: Imágenes integradas 1] Cheers, Milton 2015-08-23 9:37 GMT-04:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>om>:

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Make sense to me Alexandre Le 23 août 2015 à 07:32, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> a écrit : It looks great. The only place which still requires the if now is the specification of color. I think that for this builder, given that the shape is predefined, it makes sense to provide direct color manipulation in the builder: | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color green. Color red }. b * color: Color transparent;* * borderColor: Color black;* * leafColor: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ];* leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b What do you think? Cheers, Doru On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:52 AM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent! By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? Alexandre > On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. > > Here it is: > http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI > > <file-treemap.png> > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is it possible to use a tree map? > > --Hannes > > On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. > > I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said > > > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession > >> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . > >> > >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 > >> < https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 > > >> > >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. > >> > >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests > >> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that > >> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform > >> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only > >> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. > >> > >> Maybe some food for thought. > >> > >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much > >> RAM. > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com > >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time > >> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. > >> > >> Moose image > >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 > >> MB > >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. > >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows > >> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am > >> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) > >> > >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the > >> folder first. > >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes > >> should usually suffice. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that > >> with this: > >> > >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders > >> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if > >> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com > >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Doru > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other > >> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and > >> github-cache prodominately. > >> > >> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me > >> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the > >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is > >> normal. > >> > >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures > >> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe < sven(a)stfx.eu > >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > >> > >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > >> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) > >> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it > >> > from work which is 8 times faster. > >> > >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? > >> > >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to > >> maybe 20/30 MB. > >> > >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot > >> of data. > >> > >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > >> > >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with > >> > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items > >> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. > >> > > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new > >> > configuration browser). > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel > >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source > >> > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this > >> > possible. > >> > > >> > Can I have a look at your image? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Alexandre > >> > -- > >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > >> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b > >> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector > >> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe > >> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel > >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > >> >> > >> >> Alexandre > >> >> -- > >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > >> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D > >> >>> > >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel > >> >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > >> >>> Hi! > >> >>> > >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a > >> >>> playground: > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. > >> >>> > >> >>> b shape rectangle > >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color > >> >>> red. > >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. > >> >>> b normalizer > >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > >> >>> b layout tree. > >> >>> b > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >> >>> > >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a > >> >>> file may show you the content and other things. > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > >> >>> > >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > >> >>> > >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers, > >> >>> Alexandre > >> >>> -- > >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list > >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Moose-dev mailing list > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Moose-dev mailing list > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> > >> > >> "Every thing has its own flow" > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

8:44 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Is this not beautiful? :) Thanks a lot, Doru On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:38 PM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Excellent! We will work on this! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:06 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Hi, I use it quite often. The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what are the leaves. Perhaps like this: b buildFrom: aRootNestingObject nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block looks like weight: [ :each | each isFile ifTrue: [each size max: 1] ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use case. So, I should only say: b leafWeight: [:file | file size] 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", but this is clumsy. This should be built in. The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Excellent! > > By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. > This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to > change? > > Alexandre > > > > On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > wrote: > > > > Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited > representation for understanding the size of a file system. > > > > Here it is: > > http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI > > > > <file-treemap.png> > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Is it possible to use a tree map? > > > > --Hannes > > > > On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > > I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. > > > I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said > > > > > > Alexandre > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the > obsession > > >> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in > TBs . > > >> > > >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it > > >> > > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 > > >> < > https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 > > > > >> > > >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. > > >> > > >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit > tests > > >> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests > that > > >> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must > perform > > >> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert > not only > > >> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , > automagically. > > >> > > >> Maybe some food for thought. > > >> > > >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than > how much > > >> RAM. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com > > >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long > time > > >> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. > > >> > > >> Moose image > > >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save > => 237 > > >> MB > > >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. > > >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 > windows > > >> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... > and I am > > >> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) > > >> > > >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to > backup the > > >> folder first. > > >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + > .changes > > >> should usually suffice. > > >> > > >> Peter > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already > answered that > > >> with this: > > >> > > >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 > folders > > >> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be > surprised if > > >> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba < > tudor(a)tudorgirba.com > > >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned > folder? > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Doru > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several > other > > >> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and > > >> github-cache prodominately. > > >> > > >> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still > will take me > > >> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need > the > > >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow > down is > > >> normal. > > >> > > >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file > structures > > >> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe < > sven(a)stfx.eu > > >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > >> > > >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB > ziped) > > >> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will > send it > > >> > from work which is 8 times faster. > > >> > > >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal > state ? > > >> > > >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would > compress to > > >> maybe 20/30 MB. > > >> > > >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to > store a lot > > >> of data. > > >> > > >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. > > >> > > >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with > > >> > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the > 84 items > > >> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that > matters. > > >> > > > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new > > >> > configuration browser). > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel > > >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> > wrote: > > >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the > source > > >> > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is > this > > >> > possible. > > >> > > > >> > Can I have a look at your image? > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > Alexandre > > >> > -- > > >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > > >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to > inspect the b > > >> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the > inspector > > >> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 > items, maybe > > >> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? > > >> >> > > >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel > > >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> > wrote: > > >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention > > >> >> > > >> >> Alexandre > > >> >> -- > > >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > > >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > >> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel > > >> >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> > wrote: > > >> >>> Hi! > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the > following in a > > >> >>> playground: > > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> b shape rectangle > > >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] > color: Color > > >> >>> red. > > >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. > > >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. > > >> >>> b normalizer > > >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. > > >> >>> b layout tree. > > >> >>> b > > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >> >>> > > >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply > clicking on a > > >> >>> file may show you the content and other things. > > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: > > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is > ~/Documents. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Cheers, > > >> >>> Alexandre > > >> >>> -- > > >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/ > > > > >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Moose-dev mailing list > > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Moose-dev mailing list > > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> > > >> > > >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moose-dev mailing list > > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Ah, one more wish: It is often interesting to map a shade of a color to the nesting level of a treemap node. The first implementation by Roberto had this ability, and I think this is cool. So, we could have a simple method like: - borderShadedByNesting, or - borderShadedByNestingWithColor: What do you think? Cheers, Doru On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:

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Is this not beautiful? :) Thanks a lot, Doru On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:38 PM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tudor, I've been working on this. The next piece of code shows an example in the file system. .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color green. Color red }. b shape color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; if: [ :f | f isFile ] color: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]. b *leafWeight: *[:f | f size sqrt ]; *explore:* FileSystem disk workingDirectory * nesting:* #directories * leaves: *#files. b build. ^ b view .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= #explore:nesting:leaves: is related to the point 1, please tell me is that what you expected? #leaftWeight: selector is related to the point 2 and the point 3, The result for RTTreeMapBuilder [image: Imágenes integradas 2] the color means red = big file. This is the result for RTCircularTreeMapBuilder [image: Imágenes integradas 3] Cheers, Milton 2015-07-31 9:16 GMT-04:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>om>: > Excellent! > We will work on this! > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:06 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I use it quite often. > > The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: > > 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind > of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, > packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to > an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level > constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what > are the leaves. Perhaps like this: > b > buildFrom: aRootNestingObject > nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] > leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] > > 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want > the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the > inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight > only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For > example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block > looks like > weight: [ :each | > each isFile > ifTrue: [each size max: 1] > ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. > This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files > needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, > I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the > block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use > case. So, I should only say: > b leafWeight: [:file | file size] > > 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. > This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", > but this is clumsy. This should be built in. > > The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Excellent! >> >> By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. >> This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to >> change? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> > On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited >> representation for understanding the size of a file system. >> > >> > Here it is: >> > http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI >> > >> > <file-treemap.png> >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Doru >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Is it possible to use a tree map? >> > >> > --Hannes >> > >> > On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> > > I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. >> > > I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said >> > > >> > > Alexandre >> > > -- >> > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the >> obsession >> > >> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking >> in TBs . >> > >> >> > >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >> > >> >> > >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 >> > >> < >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 >> > >> > >> >> > >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >> > >> >> > >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the >> unit tests >> > >> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark >> tests that >> > >> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method >> must perform >> > >> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert >> not only >> > >> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , >> automagically. >> > >> >> > >> Maybe some food for thought. >> > >> >> > >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes >> than how much >> > >> RAM. >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >> > >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long >> time >> > >> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >> > >> >> > >> Moose image >> > >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save >> => 237 >> > >> MB >> > >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >> > >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 >> windows >> > >> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... >> and I am >> > >> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >> > >> >> > >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to >> backup the >> > >> folder first. >> > >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + >> .changes >> > >> should usually suffice. >> > >> >> > >> Peter >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already >> answered that >> > >> with this: >> > >> >> > >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 >> folders >> > >> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be >> surprised if >> > >> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba < >> tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >> > >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >> > >> Hi, >> > >> >> > >> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned >> folder? >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, >> > >> Doru >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several >> other >> > >> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and >> > >> github-cache prodominately. >> > >> >> > >> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still >> will take me >> > >> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still >> need the >> > >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow >> down is >> > >> normal. >> > >> >> > >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file >> structures >> > >> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe < >> sven(a)stfx.eu >> > >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > >> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 >> MB ziped) >> > >> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will >> send it >> > >> > from work which is 8 times faster. >> > >> >> > >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal >> state ? >> > >> >> > >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would >> compress to >> > >> maybe 20/30 MB. >> > >> >> > >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to >> store a lot >> > >> of data. >> > >> >> > >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >> > >> >> > >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image >> with >> > >> > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the >> 84 items >> > >> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that >> matters. >> > >> > >> > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >> > >> > configuration browser). >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >> > >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding >> the source >> > >> > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is >> this >> > >> > possible. >> > >> > >> > >> > Can I have a look at your image? >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Alexandre >> > >> > -- >> > >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> > >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > >> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to >> inspect the b >> > >> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the >> inspector >> > >> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 >> items, maybe >> > >> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >> > >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Alexandre >> > >> >> -- >> > >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/ >> > >> > >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > >> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >> > >> >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> >>> Hi! >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the >> following in a >> > >> >>> playground: >> > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> b shape rectangle >> > >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] >> color: Color >> > >> >>> red. >> > >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> > >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> > >> >>> b normalizer >> > >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> > >> >>> b layout tree. >> > >> >>> b >> > >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply >> clicking on a >> > >> >>> file may show you the content and other things. >> > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: >> > >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is >> ~/Documents. >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> Cheers, >> > >> >>> Alexandre >> > >> >>> -- >> > >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu < >> http://www.bergel.eu/> >> > >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> >> > >> >> > >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > www.tudorgirba.com >> > >> > "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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5:19 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Doru, do you have an example? A screenshots for example. I think it will help Cheers, Alexandre

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On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. Here it is: http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI <file-treemap.png> Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: Is it possible to use a tree map? --Hannes On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. > I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession >> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . >> >> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> >> >> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >> >> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests >> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that >> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform >> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only >> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >> >> Maybe some food for thought. >> >> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much >> RAM. >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time >> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >> >> Moose image >> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 >> MB >> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows >> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am >> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >> >> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the >> folder first. >> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes >> should usually suffice. >> >> Peter >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that >> with this: >> >> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders >> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if >> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other >> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and >> github-cache prodominately. >> >> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me >> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the >> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is >> normal. >> >> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures >> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) >> > for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it >> > from work which is 8 times faster. >> >> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >> >> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to >> maybe 20/30 MB. >> >> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot >> of data. >> >> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >> >> > I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with >> > pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items >> > are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. >> > >> > I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >> > configuration browser). >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >> > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> > Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source >> > code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this >> > possible. >> > >> > Can I have a look at your image? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b >> >> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector >> >> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe >> >> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >> >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >> >> >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >> >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >> >>> >> >>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a >> >>> playground: >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> b := RTMondrian new. >> >>> >> >>> b shape rectangle >> >>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color >> >>> red. >> >>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >> >>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >> >>> b normalizer >> >>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >> >>> b layout tree. >> >>> b >> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >>> >> >>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a >> >>> file may show you the content and other things. >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >> >>> >> >>> You can also use the cluster layout: >> >>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >> >>> >> >>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Alexandre >> >>> -- >> >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Moose-dev mailing list >> >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

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roberto.minelli＠usi.ch

6:32 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Hi, Here, for example, I was using an heat scale from blue to red to display where the user interacted in the system. Super old work, though. Cheers, R

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On 26 Aug 2015, at 17:19, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Doru, do you have an example? A screenshots for example. I think it will help Cheers, Alexandre

On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:06 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Hi, I use it quite often. The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what are the leaves. Perhaps like this: b buildFrom: aRootNestingObject nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block looks like weight: [ :each | each isFile ifTrue: [each size max: 1] ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use case. So, I should only say: b leafWeight: [:file | file size] 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", but this is clumsy. This should be built in. The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Excellent! By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? Alexandre > On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. > > Here it is: > http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI > > <file-treemap.png> > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is it possible to use a tree map? > > --Hannes > > On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. >> I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession >>> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . >>> >>> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 >>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> >>> >>> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >>> >>> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests >>> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that >>> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform >>> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only >>> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >>> >>> Maybe some food for thought. >>> >>> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much >>> RAM. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time >>> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >>> >>> Moose image >>> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 >>> MB >>> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >>> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows >>> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am >>> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >>> >>> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the >>> folder first. >>> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes >>> should usually suffice. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that >>> with this: >>> >>> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders >>> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if >>> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >>> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other >>> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and >>> github-cache prodominately. >>> >>> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me >>> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the >>> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is >>> normal. >>> >>> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures >>> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) >>>> for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it >>>> from work which is 8 times faster. >>> >>> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >>> >>> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to >>> maybe 20/30 MB. >>> >>> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot >>> of data. >>> >>> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >>> >>>> I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with >>>> pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items >>>> are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. >>>> >>>> I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >>>> configuration browser). >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>> Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source >>>> code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> Can I have a look at your image? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b >>>>> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector >>>>> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe >>>>> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >>>>> >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a >>>>>> playground: >>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>> b := RTMondrian new. >>>>>> >>>>>> b shape rectangle >>>>>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color >>>>>> red. >>>>>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >>>>>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >>>>>> b normalizer >>>>>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >>>>>> b layout tree. >>>>>> b >>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>> >>>>>> It shows a tree of the file system. 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New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

Thanks Roberto, We will look into this Alexandre

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On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:32 PM, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch wrote: Hi, Here, for example, I was using an heat scale from blue to red to display where the user interacted in the system. Super old work, though. Cheers, R

On 26 Aug 2015, at 17:19, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Doru, do you have an example? A screenshots for example. I think it will help Cheers, Alexandre

It looks great. The only place which still requires the if now is the specification of color. I think that for this builder, given that the shape is predefined, it makes sense to provide direct color manipulation in the builder: | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color green. Color red }. b color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; leafColor: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]; leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b What do you think? Cheers, Doru On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:52 AM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tudor, I've been working on this. The next piece of code shows an example in the file system. .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color green. Color red }. b shape color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; if: [ :f | f isFile ] color: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]. b leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b view .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= #explore:nesting:leaves: is related to the point 1, please tell me is that what you expected? #leaftWeight: selector is related to the point 2 and the point 3, The result for RTTreeMapBuilder <image.png> the color means red = big file. This is the result for RTCircularTreeMapBuilder <image.png> Cheers, Milton 2015-07-31 9:16 GMT-04:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>om>: Excellent! We will work on this! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:06 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I use it quite often. > > The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: > > 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what are the leaves. Perhaps like this: > b > buildFrom: aRootNestingObject > nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] > leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] > > 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block looks like > weight: [ :each | > each isFile > ifTrue: [each size max: 1] > ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. > This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use case. So, I should only say: > b leafWeight: [:file | file size] > > 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", but this is clumsy. This should be built in. > > The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Excellent! > > By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. > This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? > > Alexandre > > >> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. >> >> Here it is: >> http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI >> >> <file-treemap.png> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Is it possible to use a tree map? >> >> --Hannes >> >> On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>> I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. >>> I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said >>> >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession >>>> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . >>>> >>>> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> >>>> >>>> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >>>> >>>> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests >>>> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that >>>> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform >>>> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only >>>> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >>>> >>>> Maybe some food for thought. >>>> >>>> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much >>>> RAM. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >>>> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time >>>> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >>>> >>>> Moose image >>>> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 >>>> MB >>>> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >>>> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows >>>> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am >>>> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >>>> >>>> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the >>>> folder first. >>>> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes >>>> should usually suffice. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that >>>> with this: >>>> >>>> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders >>>> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if >>>> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >>>> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other >>>> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and >>>> github-cache prodominately. >>>> >>>> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me >>>> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the >>>> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is >>>> normal. >>>> >>>> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures >>>> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >>>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) >>>>> for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it >>>>> from work which is 8 times faster. >>>> >>>> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >>>> >>>> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to >>>> maybe 20/30 MB. >>>> >>>> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot >>>> of data. >>>> >>>> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >>>> >>>>> I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with >>>>> pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items >>>>> are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. >>>>> >>>>> I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >>>>> configuration browser). >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source >>>>> code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> Can I have a look at your image? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b >>>>>> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector >>>>>> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe >>>>>> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >>>>>> >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a >>>>>>> playground: >>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> b := RTMondrian new. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> b shape rectangle >>>>>>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color >>>>>>> red. >>>>>>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >>>>>>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >>>>>>> b normalizer >>>>>>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >>>>>>> b layout tree. >>>>>>> b >>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a >>>>>>> file may show you the content and other things. >>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can also use the cluster layout: >>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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New subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Script of the day

No problem ;) As Doru said, my original implementation had this (and other similar) abilities :) Cheers, R

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On 26 Aug 2015, at 19:08, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Thanks Roberto, We will look into this Alexandre

On 26 Aug 2015, at 17:19, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Doru, do you have an example? A screenshots for example. I think it will help Cheers, Alexandre

On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Ah, one more wish: It is often interesting to map a shade of a color to the nesting level of a treemap node. The first implementation by Roberto had this ability, and I think this is cool. So, we could have a simple method like: - borderShadedByNesting, or - borderShadedByNestingWithColor: What do you think? Cheers, Doru On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Is this not beautiful? :) Thanks a lot, Doru On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:38 PM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote: Done, check with the last version of Roassal | b color | b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. color := RTScale linear domain: { 0. 12000.}; range: { Color gray. Color red }. b color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color black; leafColor: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]; leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory nesting: #directories leaves: #files. b build. ^ b view <image.png> Cheers, Milton 2015-08-23 9:37 GMT-04:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>om>: Make sense to me Alexandre Le 23 août 2015 à 07:32, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> a écrit : > It looks great. > > The only place which still requires the if now is the specification of color. > > I think that for this builder, given that the shape is predefined, it makes sense to provide direct color manipulation in the builder: > > | b color | > b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. > color := RTScale linear > domain: { 0. 12000.}; > range: { Color green. Color red }. > b > color: Color transparent; > borderColor: Color black; > leafColor: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]; > leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; > explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory > nesting: #directories > leaves: #files. > b build. > ^ b > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:52 AM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tudor, > > I've been working on this. The next piece of code shows an example in the file system. > > .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= > | b color | > b := RTTreeMapBuilder new. > color := RTScale linear > domain: { 0. 12000.}; > range: { Color green. Color red }. > b shape > color: Color transparent; > borderColor: Color black; > if: [ :f | f isFile ] color: [ :f | color scale: f size sqrt ]. > b > leafWeight: [:f | f size sqrt ]; > explore: FileSystem disk workingDirectory > nesting: #directories > leaves: #files. > b build. > ^ b view > .=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.= > > > #explore:nesting:leaves: is related to the point 1, please tell me is that what you expected? > #leaftWeight: selector is related to the point 2 and the point 3, > > > The result for RTTreeMapBuilder > > <image.png> > > the color means red = big file. > > This is the result for RTCircularTreeMapBuilder > > <image.png> > > Cheers, > Milton > > > > 2015-07-31 9:16 GMT-04:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>om>: > Excellent! > We will work on this! > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:06 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I use it quite often. >> >> The builder is Ok, but I would improve some things to make it elegant: >> >> 1. A treemap works well when there is a nested structure of one kind of nodes and the leaves are of a different kind. So, folder/file, packages/classes. Thus, having only one traversal will inevitably lead to an if inside. I would rather be interested in having a higher level constructs that allow us to state what is the nested structure, and what are the leaves. Perhaps like this: >> b >> buildFrom: aRootNestingObject >> nesting: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childNestedObjects ] >> leaves: [ :aNestingObject | aNestingObject childLeaves] >> >> 2. The aggregation of metrics should be built in. Typically, you want the size of the nested structure to be deduced by the aggregate size of the inner leaves. Thus, ideally, there should be a way to specify the weight only for the leaves and let the engine do the rest of calculations. For example, in the case of the file system visualization, the weight block looks like >> weight: [ :each | >> each isFile >> ifTrue: [each size max: 1] >> ifFalse: [(each allChildren sumNumbers: #size) max: 1 ] ]. >> This means that I will traverse and compute the size of files needlessly multiple times for each of the parent folder. To make it faster, I would have to build a cache for the size of files and look it up in the block. This should be offered by the engine because it is the default use case. So, I should only say: >> b leafWeight: [:file | file size] >> >> 3. Talking about weights, if the weight is 0, the builder crashes. This should be made more robust. In my scripts, I always add a "max: 1", but this is clumsy. This should be built in. >> >> The same remarks apply for the RTTreeMapBuilder. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> Excellent! >> >> By the way, you told me you use the treemap builder quite a lot. >> This means you are happy about it right ? Do you have anything to change? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> >>> Of course, it is. In fact, a treemap is a better suited representation for understanding the size of a file system. >>> >>> Here it is: >>> http://ws.stfx.eu/C9RM2EURHKMI >>> >>> <file-treemap.png> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Is it possible to use a tree map? >>> >>> --Hannes >>> >>> On 7/30/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>> I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. >>>> I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession >>>>> to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . >>>>> >>>>> Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it >>>>> >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 >>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0> >>>>> >>>>> I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests >>>>> that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that >>>>> will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform >>>>> under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only >>>>> unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe some food for thought. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much >>>>> RAM. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> Not sure if there is any downside (I've been using it for a long time >>>>> without problems), but image cleanup often does wonders for me. >>>>> >>>>> Moose image >>>>> 410 MB => cleanup (World -> System -> Do Image Cleanup) => save => 237 >>>>> MB >>>>> and I even had situations where it went from ~600 MB to ~60 MB. >>>>> (As to why my images are so massive... right now there are 19 windows >>>>> opened inside most of them with opened roassal visualization... and I am >>>>> saving like every five minutes... but that is just a guess.) >>>>> >>>>> But image cleanup is supposed to break things, so better to backup the >>>>> folder first. >>>>> Plus is cache really necessary? I mean it's a cache. .image + .changes >>>>> should usually suffice. >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> Tudor I dont know if you received my message but I already answered that >>>>> with this: >>>>> >>>>> "ah ok then its normal. Yes the structure is extensive, its 13 folders >>>>> (the rest 71 are files some of them very big), I would not be surprised if >>>>> each contains 100 files in its own subfolders." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >>>>> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> But, do you confirm that you have many files under the mentioned folder? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> the image is 180 mb, changes are another 15, there are several other >>>>> folders that raise the total size to 250 mb, monticello-cache and >>>>> github-cache prodominately. >>>>> >>>>> Hmm ok my bad, the size of the zip is 89 MB not 200 mb. Still will take me >>>>> 1-2 hours to upload on this connection. So if you guys still need the >>>>> image i can upload tommorow from work, though it seems my slow down is >>>>> normal. >>>>> >>>>> Afterall I am sure you can test it yourselves on complex file structures >>>>> to see if it has delays as long as 20 minutes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:01 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >>>>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 29 Jul 2015, at 21:33, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> well i can send you the image tommorow because its huge (200 MB ziped) >>>>>> for my pathetically slow internet connection at home. I will send it >>>>>> from work which is 8 times faster. >>>>> >>>>> If the image is 200 MB zipped, how large is it in its normal state ? >>>>> >>>>> For me, a 100 MB image file is already quite large, that would compress to >>>>> maybe 20/30 MB. >>>>> >>>>> This doesn't sound right to me, unless you explicitly tried to store a lot >>>>> of data. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe something else is wrong that would explain the slowness. >>>>> >>>>>> I can tell you that I am on MacOS Yosemite , I get my image with >>>>>> pharolauncher, the image was dowloaded at 27-07-15 some of the 84 items >>>>>> are folders that contain many sub folders. No idea if that matters. >>>>>> >>>>>> I got Roassal 2 using the Package Browser in Pharo 5 (the new >>>>>> configuration browser). >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Are you using windows? I know it may has problems regarding the source >>>>>> code. You have 84 items and the visualization is slow? How is this >>>>>> possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can I have a look at your image? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thats ok it unfroze after 20 minutes or so . I managed to inspect the b >>>>>>> but its incredible slow to navigate and use . Even moving the inspector >>>>>>> around is incredible slow. My Documents folder contains 84 items, maybe >>>>>>> it cant handle so well this amount of datea ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Oh… sorry. Was not my intention >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that was a nice way to freeze my image, thank you :D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM Alexandre Bergel >>>>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to share a couple of experiment. I have tried the following in a >>>>>>>> playground: >>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>>> b := RTMondrian new. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b shape rectangle >>>>>>>> if: [ :aFile | aFile path basename beginsWith: '.' ] color: Color >>>>>>>> red. >>>>>>>> b nodes: FileLocator documents allChildren. >>>>>>>> b edges connectFrom: #parent. >>>>>>>> b normalizer >>>>>>>> normalizeSize: #size using: #sqrt. >>>>>>>> b layout tree. >>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It shows a tree of the file system. Thanks to GT, simply clicking on a >>>>>>>> file may show you the content and other things. >>>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.23.51 AM.png> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can also use the cluster layout: >>>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 10.25.11 AM.png> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have tried this on OS X, since the pointed folder is ~/Documents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>> <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>> 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I remember that we have done similar simulation with Quicksilver http://scg.unibe.ch/research/quicksilver during Pharoconf in Berne. On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:38 PM, milton mamani <akevalion(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Dimitris Chloupis

30 Jul 30 Jul

8:43 p.m.

New subject: [Pharo-users] Script of the day

I also did my tests and it appears that an image with the things i installed including roassal 2 is a mere 52 mbs so the rest 130mb must be the data generated by your example . I did manage to calculate the total amount of files and total amount of subfolders files: 64014 (sub)folders: 10073 total size of Documents folder: 101,64 GB total size of HD: 1 TB On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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I gave a try, and I did not find anything weird. I guess your document folder contains many files, as Doru said Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: Frankly I dont mind big images or big data , neither I share the obsession to shrink things down to few mbs in a time that we are talking in TBs . Anyway you asked for the image and this is a link to it https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh1071xgoo54fq7/1%20Ephestos%2027-05-15.zip?dl=0 I dont think you will find anything abnormal about it though. I was wondering whether it would worth the effort beyond the unit tests that check for behaviour of the code to have also benchmark tests that will have to pass specific standards so that specific method must perform under a strict timetable specific tasks, this way CI may alert not only unit tests that fail but also benchmarks that fail , automagically. Maybe some food for thought. Personally I am far more worried how much CPU Pharo consumes than how much RAM. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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29 Jul 29 Jul

4:47 p.m.

Very nice! Thank you, Alexandre. --Hannes On 7/29/15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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