22 Feb
2017
22 Feb
'17
9:32 p.m.
Hi,
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever are planned
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom, ...), however is
that possible with lines? Lines have to rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is superfast
(everything is happening instantly).
Thanks,
Peter
22 Feb
22 Feb
10:02 p.m.
Hi Peter
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks for your interest :)
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved (changed
with or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side api is already in
a very good shape, at least from our perspective :)
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have
to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons, text
images. They can be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves (both quadratic or
cubic). Default canvas used for rendering in Bloc (SpartaCanvas) has very
good support of vector shapes and lines.
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols
inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level framework
that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be deleted,
especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement). The only responsibility Bloc
has is to provide a basic infrastructure that does not put any constraints
on users. Which means that if you want to have a bezier line you have to
subclass BlElement, implement corresponding accessors for anchor points and
override drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can
learn more about canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class comment and method
comments in 'api' protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are available to
all subclasses of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to ask about Bloc:
>
> 1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
> 2) I saw in the techtalk that
you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have
to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
> 3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
>
> The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols
inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
>
> To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
>
> Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is
> superfast (everything is happening instantly).
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
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10:05 p.m.
We could try to do it together and maybe even make a video (stream) of
implementation process :)
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 22:02, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Peter
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks for your interest :)
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved (changed
with or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side api is already in
a very good shape, at least from our perspective :)
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines
have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons, text
images. They can be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves (both quadratic or
cubic). Default canvas used for rendering in Bloc (SpartaCanvas) has very
good support of vector shapes and lines.
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math
symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level framework
that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be deleted,
especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement). The only responsibility Bloc
has is to provide a basic infrastructure that does not put any constraints
on users. Which means that if you want to have a bezier line you have to
subclass BlElement, implement corresponding accessors for anchor points and
override drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can
learn more about canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class comment and method
comments in 'api' protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are available to
all subclasses of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to ask about Bloc:
>
> 1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to
> unify/whatever are planned
> 2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines
have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
> 3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
>
> The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math
symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
>
> To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
>
> Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is
> superfast (everything is happening instantly).
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
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> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
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>
10:16 p.m.
it sounds very nice
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 13:06 Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We could try to do it together and maybe even make a
video (stream) of
implementation process :)
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 22:02, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Peter
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks for your interest :)
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved (changed
with or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side api is already in
a very good shape, at least from our perspective :)
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons, text
images. They can be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves (both quadratic or
cubic). Default canvas used for rendering in Bloc (SpartaCanvas) has very
good support of vector shapes and lines.
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level framework
that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be deleted,
especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement). The only responsibility Bloc
has is to provide a basic infrastructure that does not put any constraints
on users. Which means that if you want to have a bezier line you have to
subclass BlElement, implement corresponding accessors for anchor points and
override drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can
learn more about canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class comment and method
comments in 'api' protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are available to
all subclasses of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is
superfast (everything is happening instantly).
Thanks,
Peter
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10:30 p.m.
+1
On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Kjell Godo
<squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
it sounds very nice
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 13:06 Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We could try to do it together and maybe even make a video (stream) of implementation
process :)
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 22:02, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Peter
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks for your interest :)
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved (changed with
or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side api is already in a very good
shape, at least from our perspective :)
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom, ...), however is
that possible with lines? Lines have to rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons, text images. They can
be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves (both quadratic or cubic). Default canvas used for
rendering in Bloc (SpartaCanvas) has very good support of vector shapes and lines.
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level framework that does
not contain any widgets (existing ones will be deleted, especially BlLine, BlText and
BlTextElement). The only responsibility Bloc has is to provide a basic infrastructure that
does not put any constraints on users. Which means that if you want to have a bezier line
you have to subclass BlElement, implement corresponding accessors for anchor points and
override drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can learn more about
canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class comment and method comments in 'api'
protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are available to all subclasses
of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever are planned
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom, ...), however
is that possible with lines? Lines have to rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is superfast
(everything is happening instantly).
Thanks,
Peter
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11:15 p.m.
Mind mapping (the possibility of doing software for it) was one of the
themes that bring me back to Pharo/Smalltalk. I would be really
interested in such project.
Cheers,
Offray
On 22/02/17 16:05, Aliaksei Syrel wrote:
We could try to do it together and maybe even make a
video (stream) of
implementation process :)
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 22:02, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com
<mailto:alex.syrel@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Peter
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks for your interest :)
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to
unify/whatever are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved
(changed with or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side
api is already in a very good shape, at least from our perspective :)
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to
center, bottom, ...), however is that possible with lines?
Lines have to rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons,
text images. They can be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves
(both quadratic or cubic). Default canvas used for rendering in
Bloc (SpartaCanvas) has very good support of vector shapes and lines.
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level
framework that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be
deleted, especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement). The only
responsibility Bloc has is to provide a basic infrastructure that
does not put any constraints on users. Which means that if you
want to have a bezier line you have to subclass BlElement,
implement corresponding accessors for anchor points and override
drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can
learn more about canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class comment and
method comments in 'api' protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are
available to all subclasses of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com
<mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to
unify/whatever are planned
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to
center, bottom, ...), however is that possible with lines?
Lines have to rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be
already doable.
Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in
the video) is superfast (everything is happening instantly).
Thanks,
Peter
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6:48 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-dev] How ready is Bloc for a simple use-case?
Hi aliaksei
I would love to start to play with Bloc to build a game with boxes.
Now is there any tutorial that I can follow to get started?
Stef
We could try to do it together and maybe even make a
video (stream) of
implementation process :)
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 22:02, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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Hi Peter
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons, text
images. They can be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves (both
quadratic or cubic). Default canvas used for rendering in >>Bloc
(SpartaCanvas) has very good support of vector shapes and lines.
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level
framework that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be
deleted, especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement). The only
>> I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks
for your interest :)
>> 1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some
overhaul changes to
>> unify/whatever are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved
(changed with or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side api
is already in a very good shape, at least from our >>perspective :)
> 2) I
saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center,
> bottom, ...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have to
> rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier,
arc) > The
idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons,
math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements >responsibility Bloc has is to provide a basic
infrastructure that
does not put any constraints on users. Which means that if
you want to
have a bezier line you have to subclass BlElement, >>implement
corresponding accessors for anchor points and override
drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can learn
more about canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class >>comment and method
comments in 'api' protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are available
to all subclasses of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to
unify/whatever are planned
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center,
bottom, ...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have to
rotate, morph shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video)
is superfast (everything is happening instantly).
Thanks,
Peter
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12:38 a.m.
I'm happy to hear that.
I understand that Bloc is low-level, but I wanted to start getting familiar with it
(Roassal3 should eventually be on top of it, so I need to understand the basics anyway).
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc
is a low level framework
that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be deleted,
especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement).
I am not sure how am I to interpret removal of BlText and BlTextElement. Does this mean
that I would have to compose characters (is there BlCharacter) by myself? (I am not sure
what the complexity implications are).
But I am happy that all the things are in place, so I can slowly (weeks, months) start
playing with it.
Thanks!
Peter
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:02:28PM +0100, Aliaksei Syrel wrote:
Hi Peter
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
Thanks for your interest :)
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
Api itself is in "final" state, however naming might be improved (changed
with or without depreciations). But don't worry user-side api is already in
a very good shape, at least from our perspective :)
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines
have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
Exactly :) Lines are just bloc elements as anything else: buttons, text
images. They can be linear, can be arcs or bezier curves (both quadratic or
cubic). Default canvas used for rendering in Bloc (SpartaCanvas) has very
good support of vector shapes and lines.
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math
symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
It is very doable. Please, don't forget that Bloc is a low level framework
that does not contain any widgets (existing ones will be deleted,
especially BlLine, BlText and BlTextElement). The only responsibility Bloc
has is to provide a basic infrastructure that does not put any constraints
on users. Which means that if you want to have a bezier line you have to
subclass BlElement, implement corresponding accessors for anchor points and
override drawPathOnSpartaCanvas: in order to display you line. You can
learn more about canvas by checking SpartaCanvas class comment and method
comments in 'api' protocol.
Layouts, alignment, transformations are part of bloc and are available to
all subclasses of BlElement.
Cheers,
Alex
On 22 February 2017 at 21:32, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to ask about Bloc:
>
> 1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
> 2) I saw in the techtalk
that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines
have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
> 3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
>
> The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math
symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
>
> To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
>
> Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is
> superfast (everything is happening instantly).
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to ask about Bloc:
1) how stable is the API? e.g. if some overhaul changes to unify/whatever
are planned
2) I saw in the techtalk that you can align elements (to center, bottom,
...), however is that possible with lines? Lines have to rotate, morph
shape, etc.
3) Are non-straight lines possible? (e.g. bezier, arc)
The idea for me is to make a simple mindmap
- elements with some text, icons, math symbols inside
- connectors (non-straight lines) between elements
To me (apart from the lines) it seems like it should be already doable.
Also either my (Morphic) Pharo is really slow, or Bloc (in the video) is
superfast (everything is happening instantly).
Hi Peter,
I've thought for a long time that a Mind Mapping app would be a good way to
showcase Pharo
and a side channel marketing to draw people in when they what to modify the
tool.
I'd like to collaborate in any way you like - early testing, pair
programming, isolated subtasks, etc.
cheers -ben
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