Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote: Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
[image: Inline image 1]
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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On 26 Jun 2014, at 11:38, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
Yes, but passive window looks broken. Also this blue gradient things at drop down lists are strange and buttons at scrollbar that have no indicator that they are scroll buttons. Etc…
Uko
<active-window-whitetheme.png>
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote: Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
Yes, but passive window looks broken. Also this blue gradient things at drop down lists are strange and buttons at scrollbar that have no indicator that they are scroll buttons. Etc…
obviously I'm not the only one to see that. In the rmod team nobody working for real with moose is using the white theme since months.
Stef
I have never feel that not having a scrollbar indicator is a real problem. On my iphone, I even do not know whether something is scrollable or not.
Alexandre
this one sucks too. I do not see combo box, I do not see scrollbar arrows.
Stef
On 26/6/14 11:38, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
Inline image 1
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote:Hi Stef, I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way. It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not. First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active. Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.Doru . On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: Hi Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I'm waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective. Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev_______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev-- www.tudorgirba.com http://www.tudorgirba.com
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Hi all,
here are my two cents on what can be improved given the screenshot:
- scrollbars up/down buttons don’t have the arrows. There is no way to distinguish between the slider and the button. See the list of classes for an example. This is really annoying. - buttons don’t have borders that outline them. In my opinion, a convention that has been used since more than 20 years should not be broken just like that. - drop down menus don’t have an icon in their drop down box. - the entire group of ‘groups, hierarchy, class side, comments’ is ugly with all the spurious white lines - the white border on the left and right of the window is annoying. It should be or a thicker gray window border, or the widgets should go out to the end.
To be positive: the border around the drop down menus makes them much better than before.
On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
<active-window-whitetheme.png>
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote: Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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Hi,
Thanks for the concrete points. I will follow up with another email.
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
Hi all,
here are my two cents on what can be improved given the screenshot:
- scrollbars up/down buttons don’t have the arrows. There is no way to
distinguish between the slider and the button. See the list of classes for an example. This is really annoying.
- buttons don’t have borders that outline them. In my opinion, a
convention that has been used since more than 20 years should not be broken just like that.
- drop down menus don’t have an icon in their drop down box.
- the entire group of ‘groups, hierarchy, class side, comments’ is ugly
with all the spurious white lines
- the white border on the left and right of the window is annoying. It
should be or a thicker gray window border, or the widgets should go out to the end.
To be positive: the border around the drop down menus makes them much better than before.
On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was
depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
<active-window-whitetheme.png>
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com
wrote:
On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and
treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is
passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo?
Seriously?
So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take
actions because this is too long now that the system
is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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Hi all,
I just want to remind, that Moose is not about colors, icons and arrows - it's about data, visualization and research. It's open source and everyone can improve it. Not all programmers can draw amazing Apple/Windows/Ubuntu/whatever like interface parts.
Cheers, Alex
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the concrete points. I will follow up with another email.
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
Hi all,
here are my two cents on what can be improved given the screenshot:
- scrollbars up/down buttons don’t have the arrows. There is no way to
distinguish between the slider and the button. See the list of classes for an example. This is really annoying.
- buttons don’t have borders that outline them. In my opinion, a
convention that has been used since more than 20 years should not be broken just like that.
- drop down menus don’t have an icon in their drop down box.
- the entire group of ‘groups, hierarchy, class side, comments’ is ugly
with all the spurious white lines
- the white border on the left and right of the window is annoying. It
should be or a thicker gray window border, or the widgets should go out to the end.
To be positive: the border around the drop down menus makes them much better than before.
On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks. This is something concrete.
Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was
depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one.
<active-window-whitetheme.png>
Doru
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com
wrote:
On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Stef,
I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and
treat this problem in an engineering way.
It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do
not.
First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is
passive, not active.
Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window?
List separators are ending in a strange way at the top.
Doru .
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi
Why this broken theme is still the default theme? Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo?
Seriously?
So I’m waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take
actions because this is too long now that the system
is on his knees from that perspective.
Stef
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Hi syrel
I know I wrote some first versions of moose long time ago and I often work in the dark on the boring things like making sure that the configurations work. You know the stuff that nobody get fame to do. Now when the user interface systematically alienates the user, it gets really annoying.
Stef
Hi all,
I just want to remind, that Moose is not about colors, icons and arrows - it's about data, visualization and research. It's open source and everyone can improve it. Not all programmers can draw amazing Apple/Windows/Ubuntu/whatever like interface parts.
Cheers, Alex
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi, Thanks for the concrete points. I will follow up with another email. Doru On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: Hi all, here are my two cents on what can be improved given the screenshot: - scrollbars up/down buttons don't have the arrows. There is no way to distinguish between the slider and the button. See the list of classes for an example. This is really annoying. - buttons don't have borders that outline them. In my opinion, a convention that has been used since more than 20 years should not be broken just like that. - drop down menus don't have an icon in their drop down box. - the entire group of 'groups, hierarchy, class side, comments' is ugly with all the spurious white lines - the white border on the left and right of the window is annoying. It should be or a thicker gray window border, or the widgets should go out to the end. To be positive: the border around the drop down menus makes them much better than before. On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks. This is something concrete. > > Now, please look at an active window, not a passive one like it was depicted in the screenshot from Stef. See the attached one. > > <active-window-whitetheme.png> > > Doru > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: > > On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:52, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> I have tried before and I will continue to try to work with people and treat this problem in an engineering way. >> >> It seems to me that you find the two screenshots self evident. I do not. >> >> First, you provided the white theme screenshot for a window that is passive, not active. >> >> Then, do you have problems identifying the parts in the window? > > List separators are ending in a strange way at the top. > >> >> Doru >> . >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: >> Hi >> >> Why this broken theme is still the default theme? >> Do we think that this is a good promotion for Moose and Pharo? Seriously? >> So I'm waiting for an answer and based on this answer I will take actions because this is too long now that the system >> is on his knees from that perspective. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry <http://pleiad.cl/%7Ejfabry> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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