How do I get the example browser working (i.e. drawing the visualizations instead of inspecting them) in Pharo 4.0? I loaded Roassal2 stable per https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/QuickStart/0... . Thanks!
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How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations
Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small?
http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png
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That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved.
Cheers, Doru
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Sean P. DeNigris wrote
How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations
Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small?
http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png
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They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny
Of course! That explains my next discovery - when you zoom in on them, they get really blurry.
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Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb. It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem.
Cheers, Alexandre
I meant to say that we should have a solution that can render examples live :)
Doru
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb. It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved.
Cheers, Doru
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Sean P. DeNigris wrote
How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations
Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small?
http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png
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Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web). We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.
Alexandre
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Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web). We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.
Something like generate and cache on first view?
If necessary, maybe even fork in background when the example browser is opened for the first time. If you could list the slower ones further down, that would help...
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Could be a good solution. We have to see...
Alexandre
Hi Sean!
I do not understand. What is displayed small? On your screenshot, you have a thumbnail. Click on it to have the large rendering. Is this what you meant?
Alexandre
It took quite a bit of investigating to figure out that I had to load Glamour stable to render RTViews inside GT Inspector. Maybe we should load them by default in Pharo 4.0 in ConfigurationOfRoassal2?
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Hi,
Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?
For Pharo 4.0, you should load Glamour #development.
Cheers, Doru
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It took quite a bit of investigating to figure out that I had to load Glamour stable to render RTViews inside GT Inspector. Maybe we should load them by default in Pharo 4.0 in ConfigurationOfRoassal2?
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Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?
I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived)
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I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of loading two independent libraries... something like
ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters. or ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.
(I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.)
I think it would be welcome addition.
Peter
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?
I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived)
Cheers, Sean
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Le 30/03/2015 21:22, Peter Uhnák a écrit :
I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of loading two independent libraries... something like
ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters.
This one is easy.
or ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.
I think this one would work as well.
(I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.)
Well, it is often not Metacello the issue, it has more to do with the fact that dependencies in configurations may be hard to set up.
I think it would be welcome addition.
I have been tempted to fork Roassal on github at times (sorry Alexandre :)) just to have - a correct Roassal2 for Pharo 3, and, yes, all the dependencies setup right.
This would be especially easy, because: git merge would take care of merging back Roassal2 developments inside the Pharo 3 branch (with the old example browser) probably without any conflicts, and a simple baseline would fetch the latest Roassal nicely, since we allways load the development version directly.
Thierry
Peter
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On 30/03/15 21:22, Peter Uhnák wrote:
I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of loading two independent libraries... something like
ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters. or ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.
(I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.
Yes, that is easy to do with Metacello. It requires using groups. Setting up groups is easy, maintaining them less so, as they are not yet first-class citizens. It is difficult to find out which groups of which configurations are loaded and tool support is insufficient. Retiring groups currently doesn't work correctly.
Stephan
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