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Sean P. DeNigris

19 Mar 2015 19 Mar '15

2:27 a.m.

How do I get the example browser working (i.e. drawing the visualizations instead of inspecting them) in Pharo 4.0? I loaded Roassal2 stable per https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/QuickStart/… . Thanks! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Sean P. DeNigris

19 Mar 19 Mar

2:41 a.m.

Sean P. DeNigris wrote

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How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small? <http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png> ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813040.ht… Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Tudor Girba

7:47 a.m.

That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote:

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Sean P. DeNigris wrote

How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

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Sean P. DeNigris

1:49 p.m.

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They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny

Of course! That explains my next discovery - when you zoom in on them, they get really blurry. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813176.ht… Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Alexandre Bergel

2:24 p.m.

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote: Sean P. DeNigris wrote

How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small? <http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png <http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>> ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813040.ht… <http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813040.html> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> -- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Tudor Girba

2:27 p.m.

I meant to say that we should have a solution that can render examples live :) Doru On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

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Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb. It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote:

Sean P. DeNigris wrote

How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

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Alexandre Bergel

2:46 p.m.

Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web). We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: I meant to say that we should have a solution that can render examples live :) Doru On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb. It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote: Sean P. DeNigris wrote

How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small? <http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png <http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>> ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813040.ht… <http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813040.html> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> -- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev>

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Sean P. DeNigris

3:51 p.m.

On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:38 AM, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <ml-node+s1294792n4813196h64(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote:

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Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web). We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.

Alexandre Bergel

4:12 p.m.

Could be a good solution. We have to see... Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:38 AM, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email] <x-msg://188/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4813234&i=0>> wrote:

Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web). We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.

Something like generate and cache on first view? If necessary, maybe even fork in background when the example browser is opened for the first time. If you could list the slower ones further down, that would help... Cheers, Sean View this message in context: Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo <http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4813234.html> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive <http://forum.world.st/Moose-f1310756.html> at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Alexandre Bergel

2:23 p.m.

Hi Sean! I do not understand. What is displayed small? On your screenshot, you have a thumbnail. Click on it to have the large rendering. Is this what you meant? Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: Sean P. DeNigris wrote

How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Sean P. DeNigris

22 Mar 22 Mar

1:52 p.m.

New subject: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

It took quite a bit of investigating to figure out that I had to load Glamour stable to render RTViews inside GT Inspector. Maybe we should load them by default in Pharo 4.0 in ConfigurationOfRoassal2? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4814074.ht… Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Tudor Girba

2:06 p.m.

New subject: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

Hi, Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you? For Pharo 4.0, you should load Glamour #development. Cheers, Doru On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote:

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Sean P. DeNigris

2:22 p.m.

New subject: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

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Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?

I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4814089.ht… Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Peter Uhnák

30 Mar 30 Mar

9:22 p.m.

New subject: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of loading two independent libraries... something like ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters. or ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters. (I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.) I think it would be welcome addition. Peter On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote:

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Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?

I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived) Cheers, Sean ------------------------------ View this message in context: Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo) <http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4814089.html> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive <http://forum.world.st/Moose-f1310756.html> at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Thierry Goubier

9:37 p.m.

New subject: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

Le 30/03/2015 21:22, Peter Uhnák a écrit :

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I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of loading two independent libraries... something like ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters.

This one is easy.

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or ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.

I think this one would work as well.

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(I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.)

Well, it is often not Metacello the issue, it has more to do with the fact that dependencies in configurations may be hard to set up.

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I think it would be welcome addition.

I have been tempted to fork Roassal on github at times (sorry Alexandre :)) just to have - a correct Roassal2 for Pharo 3, and, yes, all the dependencies setup right. This would be especially easy, because: git merge would take care of merging back Roassal2 developments inside the Pharo 3 branch (with the old example browser) probably without any conflicts, and a simple baseline would fetch the latest Roassal nicely, since we allways load the development version directly. Thierry

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Peter On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote:

Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?

I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived) Cheers, Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------ View this message in context: Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo) <http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Example-Browser-in-Pharo-tp4813039p4814089.html> Sent from the Moose mailing list archive <http://forum.world.st/Moose-f1310756.html> at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Stephan Eggermont

31 Mar 31 Mar

9:38 a.m.

New subject: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

On 30/03/15 21:22, Peter Uhnák wrote:

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Yes, that is easy to do with Metacello. It requires using groups. Setting up groups is easy, maintaining them less so, as they are not yet first-class citizens. It is difficult to find out which groups of which configurations are loaded and tool support is insufficient. Retiring groups currently doesn't work correctly. Stephan

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Alexandre Bergel
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