Hi I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on functionalities and performance optimizations. The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ More information at the end of this website: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel To install: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Fuel'; version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; load. Cheers! Martin _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Excellent job, Martin! I tested it briefly with ArgoUML (194936 objects), and I get really cool results: - Fuel import: 12988 ms - MSE import: 65543 ms Tudor, and the export ? thanks mariano Also, the size of the file is 14.9 MB instead of 30 MB. This package will go in the default Moose configuration. Could you please add a ConfigurationOfFuel with a default configuration so that we can load it easily from the ConfigurationOfMoose? Cheers, Doru On 4 Jan 2011, at 14:53, Martin Dias wrote: > Hi > > I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, > called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package > that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. > > Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on > functionalities and performance optimizations. > > The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at > least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too > much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of > more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. > > I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from > http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ > > > More information at the end of this website: > > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel > > > To install: > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'Fuel'; > version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; > version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; > load. > > > Cheers! > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Some battles are better lost than fought." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: This is what I got for the export: Fuel: 76481. MSE: 201837. Excellent!! There are several reports on the fuel page: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel yes, but I wanted to see yours ;) Cheers, Doru On 4 Jan 2011, at 18:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Excellent job, Martin! > > I tested it briefly with ArgoUML (194936 objects), and I get really cool results: > - Fuel import: 12988 ms > - MSE import: 65543 ms > > Tudor, and the export ? > > thanks > > mariano > > > Also, the size of the file is 14.9 MB instead of 30 MB. > > This package will go in the default Moose configuration. Could you please add a ConfigurationOfFuel with a default configuration so that we can load it easily from the ConfigurationOfMoose? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 4 Jan 2011, at 14:53, Martin Dias wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, > > called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package > > that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. > > > > Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on > > functionalities and performance optimizations. > > > > The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at > > least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too > > much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of > > more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. > > > > I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from > > http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ > > > > > > More information at the end of this website: > > > > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel > > > > > > To install: > > > > Gofer new > > squeaksource: 'Fuel'; > > version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; > > version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; > > load. > > > > > > Cheers! > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Some battles are better lost than fought." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "We are all great at making mistakes." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hmm, on the other hand, I have a question about the logic behind the Fame Fuel. I did not check the implementation too closely, but I would expect the Fame entities to be traversed in the same way as for the MSE export. Yes! I used the Fame meta-descriptions. > > However, there was a bug with FAMIXAccess that when the isWrite flag was nil, isRead would raise an error (it is fixed in the meantime). This appeared when I exported the model with MSE, but it did not appear when I used Fuel. This leads me to believe that export has a different logic. That should be a bug, because my goal was to imitate MSE logic. En fact I made two prototypes before this version that reused the Fame/MSE implementation classes, but the result was not so good, so finally I wrote the logic in other way. > > Am I correct? If yes, I would like to know what are the implications. Do I answered the question? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 10:26, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> This is what I got for the export: >> >> Fuel: 76481. >> MSE: 201837. >> >> Excellent!! >> >> >> There are several reports on the fuel page: >> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel >> >> >> yes, but I wanted to see yours ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 4 Jan 2011, at 18:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> Excellent job, Martin! >>> >>> I tested it briefly with ArgoUML (194936 objects), and I get really cool results: >>> - Fuel import: 12988 ms >>> - MSE import: 65543 ms >>> >>> Tudor, and the export ? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> mariano >>> >>> >>> Also, the size of the file is 14.9 MB instead of 30 MB. >>> >>> This package will go in the default Moose configuration. Could you please add a ConfigurationOfFuel with a default configuration so that we can load it easily from the ConfigurationOfMoose? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On 4 Jan 2011, at 14:53, Martin Dias wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, >>>> called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package >>>> that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. >>>> >>>> Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on >>>> functionalities and performance optimizations. >>>> >>>> The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at >>>> least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too >>>> much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of >>>> more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. >>>> >>>> I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from >>>> http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ >>>> >>>> >>>> More information at the end of this website: >>>> >>>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel >>>> >>>> >>>> To install: >>>> >>>> Gofer new >>>> squeaksource: 'Fuel'; >>>> version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; >>>> version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; >>>> load. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> Martin >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Some battles are better lost than fought." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "We are all great at making mistakes." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on functionalities and performance optimizations. The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ More information at the end of this website: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel To install: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Fuel'; version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; load. Cheers! Martin _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

As far as I understood, the export should go over Fame. Otherwise, why would it need anything specific to Fame? Or am I wrong?

Cheers, Doru On 5 Jan 2011, at 11:15, Simon Denier wrote: > Hi Martin > > The charts display many interesting features, and raise some questions :) > > Do you have an idea about the drops observed at the 100,000 entities x-point? And why the MSE file size grows so sharply after that? > Which Moose models did you use to test? > > Another topic: is it possible to 'shape' the instances when serializing them so that only the necessary data get exported. In other words, can we declare some fields as 'transient' so that Fuel does not need to traverse them. I'm thinking that all Moose entities have a cache: this cache does not need to be stored. > > > On 4 janv. 2011, at 14:53, Martin Dias wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, >> called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package >> that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. >> >> Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on >> functionalities and performance optimizations. >> >> The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at >> least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too >> much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of >> more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. >> >> I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from >> http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ >> >> >> More information at the end of this website: >> >> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel >> >> >> To install: >> >> Gofer new >> squeaksource: 'Fuel'; >> version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; >> version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; >> load. >> >> >> Cheers! >> Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hi Martin > Hi Simon > The charts display many interesting features, and raise some questions :) > > Do you have an idea about the drops observed at the 100,000 entities x-point? And why the MSE file size grows so sharply after that? Actually I don't know why has that shape the chart, I have not the code here, but I remember I used for the X-axis the result of MooseModel>>size. > Which Moose models did you use to test? Ah... I should include that information in the chart. In this moment I can't open Moose (it's not my computer!), but are all generated using MooseScripts. You can see in the Doc part of the FLFameBenchmarks class.

> > Another topic: is it possible to 'shape' the instances when serializing them so that only the necessary data get exported. In other words, can we declare some fields as 'transient' so that Fuel does not need to traverse them. I'm thinking that all Moose entities have a cache: this cache does not need to be stored. In Fuel for now it's not implemented the transient declaration, but in the extension for Moose I (tried to) use the Fame meta-description in the same way that MSE does. Thanks! > > > On 4 janv. 2011, at 14:53, Martin Dias wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I have been working in a object serialization framework last months, >> called Fuel. And in order to test it in a real case, I made a package >> that adds new import and export commands to Moose panel. >> >> Fuel and this Moose extension still need a lot of work on >> functionalities and performance optimizations. >> >> The idea was to imitate the export/import MSE capabilities, and at >> least in the basic cases I tried, it imitates well, but I have not too >> much experience with Moose, so it would be nice to have feedback of >> more experienced users, and to know if it could be useful or not. >> >> I have tried in Moose 4.1 release and Moose 4.3 build #77 from >> http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-latest-dev/ >> >> >> More information at the end of this website: >> >> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel >> >> >> To install: >> >> Gofer new >> squeaksource: 'Fuel'; >> version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.78'; >> version: 'FuelFameExtension-MartinDias.21'; >> load. >> >> >> Cheers! >> Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev