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Stéphane Ducasse

30 Dec 30 Dec

7:49 p.m.

yes this is a nice case :) Stef On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

Hi! Since some of you are working on remodularizing code, maybe the following may inspire you. In Mondrian, the tests are badly structured. I actually wrote a large part of them as a way for me to understand the initial version of Mondrian, back in 2007-2008. Most of the tests are contained in the class MOViewRendererTest. They actually contain a lot of duplicated scenario (not really code): I open a canvas, put some nodes and edges, run the layout... I would like to cut this class into smaller unit tests. Fixture will have to be found for each new unit tests. How to structure them? Along the class hierarchy? Along the features of Mondrian? Along the features commonly used in Mondrian scripts (which is how they are roughly structured)? I can remodularize my tests and come up with a satisfactory design in a couple of hours. But maybe someone worked on a tool that would help me on this. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Alexandre Bergel

9:48 p.m.

That really sounds exciting. For a given piece of code, I would like to search how people use it, how they test it, how they extend it, ... :-) Alexandre On 30 Dec 2010, at 16:12, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

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Alexandre Bergel wrote:

I can remodularize my tests and come up with a satisfactory design in a couple of hours. But maybe someone worked on a tool that would help me on this.

Yes, maybe my final year project: Search Engine in Smalltalk for Smalltalk Codes could help. The search engine can retrieve information on source codes in smalltalk image and list out the best results for queries entered. Maybe you can use that search tool to get what is redundant in Mondrian. Hopefully the search engine is powerful enough to bring easiness to Smalltalk users. Regards, Zhe-Xi -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problem-worth-working-on-tp3168620p3168648.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Zhe-Xi Lim

31 Dec 31 Dec

5:47 a.m.

Doru, The development of the search engine is still in progress. Hopefully it can be ready by May 2011. I am doing it as my undergraduate's degree Final Year Project. Thanks. Regards, Zhe-Xi Tudor Girba wrote:

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Hi, Is your engine available? Cheers, Doru On 30 Dec 2010, at 20:12, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

Alexandre Bergel wrote:

I can remodularize my tests and come up with a satisfactory design in a couple of hours. But maybe someone worked on a tool that would help me on this.

Yes, maybe my final year project: Search Engine in Smalltalk for Smalltalk Codes could help. The search engine can retrieve information on source codes in smalltalk image and list out the best results for queries entered. Maybe you can use that search tool to get what is redundant in Mondrian. Hopefully the search engine is powerful enough to bring easiness to Smalltalk users. Regards, Zhe-Xi -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problem-worth-working-on-tp3168620p3168648.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Zhe-Xi Lim

4:25 p.m.

Hi Stephane, I am currently pursuing a bachelor's degree in Electrical Engineering at Multimedia University, Malaysia. I have immense interests in computer science and programming languages, therefore I am taking this project: Search Engine in Smalltalk for Smalltalk Codes. My supervisor is Dr. Ian Chai at Multimedia University. I am also working under the guidance of Dr. Aik-Siong Koh. I believe this project can be extended to a larger ones to build a global Smalltalk image and with this seach engine equipped with a kind of artificial intelligent, redundancy in Smalltalk codes could be minimized. Perhaps I need to continue my graduate studies on this topic. Thanks. Regards, Zhe-Xi Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

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Hi Zhe-Xi Lim in which university and research group are you working? Stef On Dec 31, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

Doru, The development of the search engine is still in progress. Hopefully it can be ready by May 2011. I am doing it as my undergraduate's degree Final Year Project. Thanks. Regards, Zhe-Xi Tudor Girba wrote:

Hi, Is your engine available? Cheers, Doru On 30 Dec 2010, at 20:12, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > I can remodularize my tests and come up with a satisfactory design in > a > couple of hours. But maybe someone worked on a tool that would help me > on > this. > > Yes, maybe my final year project: Search Engine in Smalltalk for Smalltalk Codes could help. The search engine can retrieve information on source codes in smalltalk image and list out the best results for queries entered. Maybe you can use that search tool to get what is redundant in Mondrian. Hopefully the search engine is powerful enough to bring easiness to Smalltalk users. Regards, Zhe-Xi -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problem-worth-working-on-tp3168620p3168648.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Alexandre Bergel

2:29 p.m.

Keep us informed Cheers, Alexandre On 31 Dec 2010, at 03:49, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

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Doru, The development of the search engine is still in progress. Hopefully it can be ready by May 2011. I am doing it as my undergraduate's degree Final Year Project. Thanks. Regards, Zhe-Xi Tudor Girba wrote:

Hi, Is your engine available? Cheers, Doru On 30 Dec 2010, at 20:12, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

Alexandre Bergel wrote:

I can remodularize my tests and come up with a satisfactory design in a couple of hours. But maybe someone worked on a tool that would help me on this.

Yes, maybe my final year project: Search Engine in Smalltalk for Smalltalk Codes could help. The search engine can retrieve information on source codes in smalltalk image and list out the best results for queries entered. Maybe you can use that search tool to get what is redundant in Mondrian. Hopefully the search engine is powerful enough to bring easiness to Smalltalk users. Regards, Zhe-Xi -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problem-worth-working-on-tp3168620p3168648.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Zhe-Xi Lim

2 Apr 2 Apr

9:11 p.m.

Alexandre Bergel wrote:

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Keep us informed Cheers, Alexandre

Hi Alexandre, The search engine is already done. But it's developed in Squeak. Hope you can take a look at it. It is now available in Squeak Source: http://www.squeaksource.com/StGoogle.html http://www.squeaksource.com/StGoogle.html Thanks and Regards, Zhe-Xi -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problem-worth-working-on-tp3168620p3422597.html Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Zhe-Xi Lim

4:58 p.m.

Alexandre, Sorry, I had move the project to http://www.squeaksource.com/StSearch.html http://www.squeaksource.com/StSearch.html . Please be informed. I noticed that you are an expert in Smalltalk. You are my hero! Hope I can learn things from you. Thanks. Zhe-Xi Alexandre Bergel-7 wrote:

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Hi! Thanks for getting back to us. I checked http://www.squeaksource.com/StGoogle.html and I got an "Error: "StGoogle.html" not found." Cheers, Alexandre

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Alexandre Bergel

9 Apr 9 Apr

10:53 p.m.

I just gave a try. Just a few comment: - Can you add some tests to your project? MessageSet subclass: #StSearchBrowser - When I do "StSearchBrowser openStSearchBrowser" I get a "self halt". - After the source code indexing, I get a does not understand for buildWindowWith:specs: Having a configuration would be cool. Maybe you can use the MetacelloBrowser? Cheers, Alexandre On 4 Apr 2011, at 10:58, Zhe-Xi Lim wrote:

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Alexandre, Sorry, I had move the project to http://www.squeaksource.com/StSearch.html http://www.squeaksource.com/StSearch.html . Please be informed. I noticed that you are an expert in Smalltalk. You are my hero! Hope I can learn things from you. Thanks. Zhe-Xi Alexandre Bergel-7 wrote:

Hi! Thanks for getting back to us. I checked http://www.squeaksource.com/StGoogle.html and I got an "Error: "StGoogle.html" not found." Cheers, Alexandre

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Stéphane Ducasse

30 Dec 30 Dec

10:20 p.m.

I think that using FCA with sender or access you should get testmethods grouped by users or the inverse. Stef On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

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Hi! Since some of you are working on remodularizing code, maybe the following may inspire you. In Mondrian, the tests are badly structured. I actually wrote a large part of them as a way for me to understand the initial version of Mondrian, back in 2007-2008. Most of the tests are contained in the class MOViewRendererTest. They actually contain a lot of duplicated scenario (not really code): I open a canvas, put some nodes and edges, run the layout... I would like to cut this class into smaller unit tests. Fixture will have to be found for each new unit tests. How to structure them? Along the class hierarchy? Along the features of Mondrian? Along the features commonly used in Mondrian scripts (which is how they are roughly structured)? I can remodularize my tests and come up with a satisfactory design in a couple of hours. But maybe someone worked on a tool that would help me on this. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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