4 Jun
2012
4 Jun
'12
10:28 p.m.
Hello,
How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization. I browsed through some examples but could not find one with
these.
tx.
usman
5 Jun
5 Jun
11:10 a.m.
I started to work on this.
I hope to have something running soon...
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
Hello,
How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I browsed
through some examples but could not find one with these.
tx.
usman
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11:24 p.m.
I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to try:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| view els stack |
view := ROView new.
view add: ROElement sprite.
els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
view @ RODraggable .
stack := ROViewStack new.
stack addView: view.
stack @ ROScrollbable.
stack open.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
Hello,
How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I browsed
through some examples but could not find one with these.
tx.
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7:58 a.m.
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part within the
overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and thus it
does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds
change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars do
not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from Apple
that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the bars
should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start
I feel. Feel free to try:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| view els stack |
view := ROView new.
view add: ROElement sprite.
els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
view @ RODraggable .
stack := ROViewStack new.
stack addView: view.
stack @ ROScrollbable.
stack open.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Hello,
How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I browsed
through some examples but could not find one with these.
tx.
usman
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Hi Alex,
Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested
by Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible
part within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll
bar is constant, and thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we
need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the
scrollbars do not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt
that from Apple that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good
way to scroll. So, the bars should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
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I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good
start I feel. Feel free
to try:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| view els stack |
view := ROView new.
view add: ROElement sprite.
els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
view @ RODraggable .
stack := ROViewStack new.
stack addView: view.
stack @ ROScrollbable.
stack open.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization.
I browsed through some examples but could not find one with
these.
tx.
usman
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Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part within
the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and thus
it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds
change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars do
not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from Apple
that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the bars
should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good
start I feel. Feel free to try:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| view els stack |
view := ROView new.
view add: ROElement sprite.
els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
view @ RODraggable .
stack := ROViewStack new.
stack addView: view.
stack @ ROScrollbable.
stack open.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
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How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I browsed
through some examples but could not find one with these.
tx.
usman
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Hello Alex,
Would it not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case with
Mondrian, see the attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization) for
Roassal visualizations?
regards,
Usman
[image: Inline image 1]
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Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Hi Alex,
Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction
suggested by
Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the
visible part
within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the
scroll bar is constant, and thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this,
we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and
dragging on the canvas,
the scrollbars do not get updated (even worse, the vertical
one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not
be intrusive. We
learnt that from Apple that we actually not need a scrollbar when
we have a
good way to scroll. So, the bars should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel
free to
try:
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | view els stack |
> view := ROView new.
> view add: ROElement sprite.
>
> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
> view @ RODraggable .
>
> stack := ROViewStack new.
> stack addView: view.
> stack @ ROScrollbable.
> stack open.
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization. I browsed through some examples but could not find one with
these.
tx.
usman
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Would it not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars
(as was the case with Mondrian, see the attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization)
for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Alex,
Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part within
the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and thus
it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds
change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars do
not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from Apple
that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the bars
should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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start I feel. Feel free to try:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| view els stack |
view := ROView new.
view add: ROElement sprite.
els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
view @ RODraggable .
stack := ROViewStack new.
stack addView: view.
stack @ ROScrollbable.
stack open.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
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How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I browsed
through some examples but could not find one with these.
tx.
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5:53 p.m.
alex
I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Would it not
be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the attached
screenshot from a mondrian visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part within
the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and thus
it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds
change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars do
not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from Apple
that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the bars
should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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start I feel. Feel free to try:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| view els stack |
view := ROView new.
view add: ROElement sprite.
els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
view @ RODraggable .
stack := ROViewStack new.
stack addView: view.
stack @ ROScrollbable.
stack open.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I
browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>
> tx.
> usman
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I am sure that Alex can build the scrollbar inside Roassal :). We
already discussed about how it should work, and I do not think it is
that difficult.
Doru
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
alex
I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Stef
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"Every thing has its own flow"
Would it
not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the
attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part within
the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and thus
it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds
change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars do
not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from Apple
that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the bars
should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to try:
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | view els stack |
> view := ROView new.
> view add: ROElement sprite.
>
> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
> view @ RODraggable .
>
> stack := ROViewStack new.
> stack addView: view.
> stack @ ROScrollbable.
> stack open.
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I
browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>>
>> tx.
>> usman
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Hello,
Here is a proposition for scrollbars in Roassal. The idea is show
scrollbars only when the cursor goes in the blue region in the figure
(colored blue for illustrated purpose only, otherwise it would be
transparent). A test script is also attached. I built this on the
implementation provided by Alex. As this is just a mock, there are still
some points to be resolved (redrawing bars in case of window resize,
dragging still makes disappear vertical bar). But these issues can be
addressed once we know what is intended to be retained in Roassal.
Did you guys discuss on these lines or something completely different?
regards,
Usman
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
I am sure that Alex can build the scrollbar inside
Roassal :). We
already discussed about how it should work, and I do not think it is
that difficult.
Doru
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I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Stef
On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>> Would it not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case
with
Mondrian, see the attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization)
for Roassal visualizations?
>
> This is not possible for several reasons:
> - if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent
will
be harder
> - I would like Roassal to be _really_
scalable in the future (my goal
is 1 000 000 nodes). Relying on Morphic for the
scrolling may impede this
goal.
>
> I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>>
>> regards,
>> Usman
>> <image.png>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <
alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
>> Hi Usman,
>>
>> I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
>> I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction
suggested by Doru?
>>>
>>> usman
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Interesting, but it should be different :):
>>> - the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the
visible part within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the
scroll bar is constant, and thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this,
we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds change events.
>>> - furthermore, when scrolling by
clicking and dragging on the canvas,
the scrollbars do not get updated (even worse,
the vertical one disappears).
>>> - another characteristic of a
scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We
learnt that from Apple that we actually not
need a scrollbar when we have a
good way to scroll. So, the bars should be transparent and thinner.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel
free to try:
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>> | view els stack |
>>>> view := ROView new.
>>>> view add: ROElement sprite.
>>>>
>>>> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
>>>> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
>>>> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
>>>> view @ RODraggable .
>>>>
>>>> stack := ROViewStack new.
>>>> stack addView: view.
>>>> stack @ ROScrollbable.
>>>> stack open.
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alexandre
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization. I browsed through some examples but could not find one with
these.
>>>
>>> tx.
>>> usman
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3:45 p.m.
Look good!
A couple of comments:
- the size of scrollbar should depends on the size of the view
- the scrollbar seems "to escape" where its space. It leave the window
- When I drag the visualization from its background, the scrollbar seems to move with
the visualization itself
I think those are the most important points. I would be happy if you could continue your
effort. This is important, many are asking for this.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 22, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Here is a proposition for scrollbars in Roassal. The idea is show scrollbars only when
the cursor goes in the blue region in the figure (colored blue for illustrated purpose
only, otherwise it would be transparent). A test script is also attached. I built this on
the implementation provided by Alex. As this is just a mock, there are still some points
to be resolved (redrawing bars in case of window resize, dragging still makes disappear
vertical bar). But these issues can be addressed once we know what is intended to be
retained in Roassal.
Did you guys discuss on these lines or something completely different?
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
I am sure that Alex can build the scrollbar inside Roassal :). We
already discussed about how it should work, and I do not think it is
that difficult.
Doru
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
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I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Stef
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not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the
attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
>
> usman
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> Interesting, but it should be different :):
> - the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part
within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and
thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera
bounds change events.
> - furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars
do not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
> - another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from
Apple that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the
bars should be transparent and thinner.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to try:
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> | view els stack |
>> view := ROView new.
>> view add: ROElement sprite.
>>
>> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
>> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
>> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
>> view @ RODraggable .
>>
>> stack := ROViewStack new.
>> stack addView: view.
>> stack @ ROScrollbable.
>> stack open.
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization.
I browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>>>
>>> tx.
>>> usman
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moose-dev mailing list
>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
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Hello,
Now you confirm that its the way to go, I'll improve the solution and will
commit my changes in Roassal repo.
I'll keep you updated with progress and questions :-).
cheers,
usman
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel
<alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote;wrote:
Look good!
A couple of comments:
- the size of scrollbar should depends on the size of the view
- the scrollbar seems "to escape" where its space. It leave the window
- When I drag the visualization from its background, the scrollbar seems
to move with the visualization itself
I think those are the most important points. I would be happy if you could
continue your effort. This is important, many are asking for this.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Hello,
Here is a proposition for scrollbars in Roassal. The idea is show
scrollbars only
when the cursor goes in the blue region in the figure
(colored blue for illustrated purpose only, otherwise it would be
transparent). A test script is also attached. I built this on the
implementation provided by Alex. As this is just a mock, there are still
some points to be resolved (redrawing bars in case of window resize,
dragging still makes disappear vertical bar). But these issues can be
addressed once we know what is intended to be retained in Roassal.
Did you guys discuss on these lines or something completely different?
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
wrote:
I am sure that Alex can build the scrollbar
inside Roassal :). We
already discussed about how it should work, and I do not think it is
that difficult.
Doru
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
> alex
> I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
> So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
>
> Stef
>
> On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>> Would it not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the
case
with Mondrian, see the attached screenshot from a mondrian
visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
>>
>> This is not possible for several reasons:
>> - if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect
independent
will be harder
>> - I would like Roassal to be _really_
scalable in the future (my
goal is 1 000 000 nodes). Relying on Morphic for the
scrolling may impede
this goal.
>>
>> I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Usman
>>> <image.png>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <
alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Usman,
>>>
>>> I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
>>> I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction
suggested by Doru?
>>>>
>>>> usman
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>
wrote:
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, but it should be different :):
>>>> - the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the
visible part within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the
scroll bar is constant, and thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this,
we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds change events.
>>>> - furthermore, when scrolling by
clicking and dragging on the
canvas, the scrollbars do not get updated (even worse,
the vertical one
disappears).
>>>> - another characteristic of a
scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We
learnt that from Apple that we actually not
need a scrollbar when we have a
good way to scroll. So, the bars should be transparent and thinner.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel.
Feel free to try:
>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>> | view els stack |
>>>>> view := ROView new.
>>>>> view add: ROElement sprite.
>>>>>
>>>>> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
>>>>> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
>>>>> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
>>>>> view @ RODraggable .
>>>>>
>>>>> stack := ROViewStack new.
>>>>> stack addView: view.
>>>>> stack @ ROScrollbable.
>>>>> stack open.
>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Alexandre
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization. I browsed through some examples but could not find one with
these.
>>>>
>>>> tx.
>>>> usman
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Yes!
Thanks for your help and effort
Alexandre
On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Now you confirm that its the way to go, I'll improve the solution and will commit my
changes in Roassal repo.
I'll keep you updated with progress and questions :-).
cheers,
usman
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Look good!
A couple of comments:
- the size of scrollbar should depends on the size of the view
- the scrollbar seems "to escape" where its space. It leave the window
- When I drag the visualization from its background, the scrollbar seems to move with
the visualization itself
I think those are the most important points. I would be happy if you could continue your
effort. This is important, many are asking for this.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Hello,
Here is a proposition for scrollbars in Roassal. The idea is show scrollbars only when
the cursor goes in the blue region in the figure (colored blue for illustrated purpose
only, otherwise it would be transparent). A test script is also attached. I built this on
the implementation provided by Alex. As this is just a mock, there are still some points
to be resolved (redrawing bars in case of window resize, dragging still makes disappear
vertical bar). But these issues can be addressed once we know what is intended to be
retained in Roassal.
Did you guys discuss on these lines or something completely different?
regards,
Usman
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
I am sure that Alex can build the scrollbar inside Roassal :). We
already discussed about how it should work, and I do not think it is
that difficult.
Doru
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I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
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scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the attached screenshot from a mondrian
visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
>
> regards,
> Usman
> <image.png>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
wrote:
> Hi Usman,
>
> I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
> I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by
Doru?
>>
>> usman
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Interesting, but it should be different :):
>> - the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part
within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and
thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera
bounds change events.
>> - furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the
scrollbars do not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
>> - another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that
from Apple that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So,
the bars should be transparent and thinner.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>
>>> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to
try:
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> | view els stack |
>>> view := ROView new.
>>> view add: ROElement sprite.
>>>
>>> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
>>> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
>>> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
>>> view @ RODraggable .
>>>
>>> stack := ROViewStack new.
>>> stack addView: view.
>>> stack @ ROScrollbable.
>>> stack open.
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization. I browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>>>>
>>>> tx.
>>>> usman
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I understand your concerns but without scrollbar this
is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Morphic Scrollbars can easily be added to Roassal. More easily that I thought actually.
I think this is an acceptable solution for now. Once caching strategies will be added to
Roassal, Morphic Scrollbar will not be use anymore.
In the long term, I would like to have scrollbars made in Roassal, like this, they will be
portable and give flexibility for caching. But since now there is no caching in Roassal,
there is no such a problem.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Would it
not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the
attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
regards,
Usman
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Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
usman
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
Interesting, but it should be different :):
- the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part within
the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and thus
it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera bounds
change events.
- furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars do
not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
- another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from Apple
that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the bars
should be transparent and thinner.
Cheers,
Doru
On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to try:
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | view els stack |
> view := ROView new.
> view add: ROElement sprite.
>
> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
> view @ RODraggable .
>
> stack := ROViewStack new.
> stack addView: view.
> stack @ ROScrollbable.
> stack open.
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization. I
browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>>
>> tx.
>> usman
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Hi,
I thought that one point of Roassal is to not paint the invisible
parts, while the Morphic scrollbar would imply by default that you
construct the entire canvas even if you do not need it. Am I wrong?
Cheers,
Doru
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"Every thing has its own flow"
I understand
your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Morphic Scrollbars can easily be added to Roassal. More easily that I thought actually.
I think this is an acceptable solution for now. Once caching strategies will be added to
Roassal, Morphic Scrollbar will not be use anymore.
In the long term, I would like to have scrollbars made in Roassal, like this, they will
be portable and give flexibility for caching. But since now there is no caching in
Roassal, there is no such a problem.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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not be good to put classic pharo scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the
attached screenshot from a mondrian visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
regards,
Usman
<image.png>
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi Usman,
I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by Doru?
>
> usman
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> Interesting, but it should be different :):
> - the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part
within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and
thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera
bounds change events.
> - furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the scrollbars
do not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
> - another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that from
Apple that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So, the
bars should be transparent and thinner.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to try:
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> | view els stack |
>> view := ROView new.
>> view add: ROElement sprite.
>>
>> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
>> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
>> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
>> view @ RODraggable .
>>
>> stack := ROViewStack new.
>> stack addView: view.
>> stack @ ROScrollbable.
>> stack open.
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal visualization.
I browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>>>
>>> tx.
>>> usman
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I thought that one point of Roassal is to not paint
the invisible
parts, while the Morphic scrollbar would imply by default that you
construct the entire canvas even if you do not need it. Am I wrong?
You're absolutely right. Even if you see a small portion of the canvas, all the
objects will be drawn.
Having scrollbar in Roassal is indeed important.
Alexandre
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I
understand your concerns but without scrollbar this is not so great.
So we will probably have to extend roassal in our corners.
Morphic Scrollbars can easily be added to Roassal. More easily that I thought actually.
I think this is an acceptable solution for now. Once caching strategies will be added to
Roassal, Morphic Scrollbar will not be use anymore.
In the long term, I would like to have scrollbars made in Roassal, like this, they will
be portable and give flexibility for caching. But since now there is no caching in
Roassal, there is no such a problem.
Cheers,
Alexandre
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scrollbars (as was the case with Mondrian, see the attached screenshot from a mondrian
visualization) for Roassal visualizations?
This is not possible for several reasons:
- if I had Morphic scrollbar, then keeping Roassal dialect independent will be harder
- I would like Roassal to be _really_ scalable in the future (my goal is 1 000 000
nodes). Relying on Morphic for the scrolling may impede this goal.
I will try to come with an implementation for this soon.
Cheers,
Alexandre
>
> regards,
> Usman
> <image.png>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
wrote:
> Hi Usman,
>
> I have been slow on this. Thanks for pushing!
> I will try to come with an implementation for next Sunday.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Do you plan to evolve progress bars in Roassal in the direction suggested by
Doru?
>>
>> usman
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Interesting, but it should be different :):
>> - the main purpose of the scrollbar is to show the position of the visible part
within the overall canvas. However, currently, the size of the scroll bar is constant, and
thus it does not solve the goal. To solve this, we need to be able to react to ROCamera
bounds change events.
>> - furthermore, when scrolling by clicking and dragging on the canvas, the
scrollbars do not get updated (even worse, the vertical one disappears).
>> - another characteristic of a scrollbar is to not be intrusive. We learnt that
from Apple that we actually not need a scrollbar when we have a good way to scroll. So,
the bars should be transparent and thinner.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 5 Jun 2012, at 23:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>
>>> I started to work on it. Not perfect, but a good start I feel. Feel free to
try:
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> | view els stack |
>>> view := ROView new.
>>> view add: ROElement sprite.
>>>
>>> els := ROElement spritesFor: (1 to: 500).
>>> els do: [ :el | el + ROLabel @ ROPopup ].
>>> view addAll: (ROGridLayout on: els).
>>> view @ RODraggable .
>>>
>>> stack := ROViewStack new.
>>> stack addView: view.
>>> stack @ ROScrollbable.
>>> stack open.
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> How to we add horizontal and vertical scroll bars to a Roassal
visualization. I browsed through some examples but could not find one with these.
>>>>
>>>> tx.
>>>> usman
>>>> _______________________________________________
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