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Peter Uhnák

30 Sep 30 Sep

11:21 a.m.

I wrote a simple PlantUML sequence diagram generator when I was debugging some issue… I can try to dig it up (if I still have it stashed somewhere). Peter On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call- graph-generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

Hernán Morales Durand

7:26 p.m.

Hi Peter, UML Sequence diagram is not exactly what I am looking for, but I think it is an essential tool to have it in Moose or Pharo (I always thought it is difficult to implement). Hernán 2016-09-30 6:21 GMT-03:00 Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph -generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Peter Uhnák

1 Oct 1 Oct

11:03 a.m.

I was using metalinks to hook into the code execution and observe the runtime behavior… I will try to clean it up & publish next week. On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph -generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

30 Sep 30 Sep

11:37 a.m.

Hi, The closest layout that you can use is RTDominanceTreeLayout. What kind of call graph do you want to visualize? From you Pharo code or something else? Cheers, Doru

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On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Hernán Morales Durand

8:11 p.m.

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects. I tried to use RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose with "Compression" package in Moose Panel, and found it is used in "All famixnamespaces" and "All famixpackages" (this one is giving a MessageNotUnderstood: FAMIXClass>>FAMIXPackage). I always get 2 namespaces so I couldn't check how close enough is RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose. However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there. Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 6:37 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>:

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Hi, The closest layout that you can use is RTDominanceTreeLayout. What kind of call graph do you want to visualize? From you Pharo code or something else? Cheers, Doru

On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph

(without hover) like these:

http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-

graph-generation-tool

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Tudor Girba

5 Oct 5 Oct

12:24 p.m.

Hi, Thanks for the report. I could reproduce the problem. Could you detail your specific requirements? What nodes would you expect to see: Methods, Classes, Packages? For example, we can have one method and show all transitive dependencies starting from that. Is this what you are looking for? Cheers, Doru

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Hernán Morales Durand

5:27 p.m.

Hi Tudor, Maybe you have experimented this situation before: When you face a new class with many methods you want to understand the message flow, specially with those I call the "main()" classes, where there is mostly one or two methods which trigger execution of other "private" methods. My interest is then to quickly explore the call graph at the method level, at a single class scope. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 7:24 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>:

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On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects. I

tried to use RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose with "Compression" package in Moose Panel, and found it is used in "All famixnamespaces" and "All famixpackages" (this one is giving a MessageNotUnderstood: FAMIXClass>>FAMIXPackage). I always get 2 namespaces so I couldn't check how close enough is RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose.

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using

RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 6:37 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, The closest layout that you can use is RTDominanceTreeLayout. What kind of call graph do you want to visualize? From you Pharo code or

something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the

graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-

graph-generation-tool

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Tudor Girba

10:57 p.m.

Hi, In that case, you want to use the Class Blueprint: Cheers, Doru

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On Oct 5, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tudor, Maybe you have experimented this situation before: When you face a new class with many methods you want to understand the message flow, specially with those I call the "main()" classes, where there is mostly one or two methods which trigger execution of other "private" methods. My interest is then to quickly explore the call graph at the method level, at a single class scope. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 7:24 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, Thanks for the report. I could reproduce the problem. Could you detail your specific requirements? What nodes would you expect to see: Methods, Classes, Packages? For example, we can have one method and show all transitive dependencies starting from that. Is this what you are looking for? Cheers, Doru

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Hernán Morales Durand

11:16 p.m.

Yes I known, but it doesn't display the method (selector) names without mouse over - Or I didn't discovered how to. Besides I think that would need a new layout to make enough space between boxes or ellipses. See how clear is the PHPCallGraph http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 17:57 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>:

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Hi, In that case, you want to use the Class Blueprint: Cheers, Doru On Oct 5, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tudor, Maybe you have experimented this situation before: When you face a new class with many methods you want to understand the message flow, specially with those I call the "main()" classes, where there is mostly one or two methods which trigger execution of other "private" methods. My interest is then to quickly explore the call graph at the method level, at a single class scope. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 7:24 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, Thanks for the report. I could reproduce the problem. Could you detail your specific requirements? What nodes would you expect to see: Methods, Classes, Packages? For example, we can have one method and show all transitive dependencies starting from that. Is this what you are looking for? Cheers, Doru

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects. I

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using

RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the

graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-

graph-generation-tool

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Tudor Girba

11:29 p.m.

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On Oct 5, 2016, at 11:16 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes I known, but it doesn't display the method (selector) names without mouse over - Or I didn't discovered how to. Besides I think that would need a new layout to make enough space between boxes or ellipses. See how clear is the PHPCallGraph http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 17:57 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, In that case, you want to use the Class Blueprint: <classblueprint.png> Cheers, Doru

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Hernán Morales Durand

11:53 p.m.

Amazing! I am already playing with it :) | view | view := RTMondrian new. view shape label text: #name. view nodes: self methods. view shape line color: (Color blue alpha: 0.3); width: [ :each | each key numberOfStatements ]. view edges connectToAll: #invokedMethods. view layout horizontalDominanceTree. view view pushBackEdges. view Thank you Tudor, Cheer, Hernán 2016-10-05 18:29 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>:

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Hi, Ok. Try this: view := RTMondrian new. view shape label text: #name. view nodes: self methods. view shape line color: (Color lightGray alpha: 0.3). view edges connectToAll: #invokedMethods. view layout horizontalDominanceTree. view view pushBackEdges. view Does this fit better? Cheers, Doru On Oct 5, 2016, at 11:16 PM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes I known, but it doesn't display the method (selector) names without mouse over - Or I didn't discovered how to. Besides I think that would need a new layout to make enough space between boxes or ellipses. See how clear is the PHPCallGraph http:// phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 17:57 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, In that case, you want to use the Class Blueprint: <classblueprint.png> Cheers, Doru On Oct 5, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tudor, Maybe you have experimented this situation before: When you face a new class with many methods you want to understand the message flow, specially with those I call the "main()" classes, where there is mostly one or two methods which trigger execution of other "private" methods. My interest is then to quickly explore the call graph at the method level, at a single class scope. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 7:24 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, Thanks for the report. I could reproduce the problem. Could you detail your specific requirements? What nodes would you expect to see: Methods, Classes, Packages? For example, we can have one method and show all transitive dependencies starting from that. Is this what you are looking for? Cheers, Doru

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects. I

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using

RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the

graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-

graph-generation-tool

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Tudor Girba

7 Oct 7 Oct

8:31 a.m.

Hi, Great :). I forgot to mention that you should use “layered” for a better layout: view := RTMondrian new. view shape label text: #name. view nodes: self methods. view shape line color: (Color lightGray alpha: 0.3). view edges connectToAll: #invokedMethods. view layout horizontalDominanceTree layered. view view pushBackEdges. view Cheers, Doru

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On Oct 5, 2016, at 11:53 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Amazing! I am already playing with it :) | view | view := RTMondrian new. view shape label text: #name. view nodes: self methods. view shape line color: (Color blue alpha: 0.3); width: [ :each | each key numberOfStatements ]. view edges connectToAll: #invokedMethods. view layout horizontalDominanceTree. view view pushBackEdges. view Thank you Tudor, Cheer, Hernán 2016-10-05 18:29 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, Ok. Try this: view := RTMondrian new. view shape label text: #name. view nodes: self methods. view shape line color: (Color lightGray alpha: 0.3). view edges connectToAll: #invokedMethods. view layout horizontalDominanceTree. view view pushBackEdges. view <call-graph.png> Does this fit better? Cheers, Doru

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects. I tried to use RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose with "Compression" package in Moose Panel, and found it is used in "All famixnamespaces" and "All famixpackages" (this one is giving a MessageNotUnderstood: FAMIXClass>>FAMIXPackage). I always get 2 namespaces so I couldn't check how close enough is RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose. However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there. Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 6:37 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>om>: Hi, The closest layout that you can use is RTDominanceTreeLayout. What kind of call graph do you want to visualize? From you Pharo code or something else? Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: > > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool > > Hernán > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Thierry Goubier

9:26 a.m.

Hi Hernán, why not use the message flow browser[1] with a scope restricted to a class? Scoped browsing with implementors / senders search is what I do in your situation. Regards, Thierry [1] https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/new-tool-flow-message-browser/ 2016-10-05 17:27 GMT+02:00 Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects. I

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using

RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

or something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the

graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph

-generation-tool

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Hernán Morales Durand

10 Oct 10 Oct

11:37 p.m.

Hi Thierry, I know the Flow Message Browser since Squeak, but it doesn't provide a graph. I would love to have integrated a graph view into the Browser so we can quickly determine importance of methods. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-07 4:26 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Hi Hernán, why not use the message flow browser[1] with a scope restricted to a class? Scoped browsing with implementors / senders search is what I do in your situation. Regards, Thierry [1] https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/new-tool-flow- message-browser/ 2016-10-05 17:27 GMT+02:00 Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of my projects.

I tried to use RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose with "Compression" package in Moose Panel, and found it is used in "All famixnamespaces" and "All famixpackages" (this one is giving a MessageNotUnderstood: FAMIXClass>>FAMIXPackage). I always get 2 namespaces so I couldn't check how close enough is RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose.

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script using

RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

or something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <

hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the

graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph

-generation-tool

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Thierry Goubier

11 Oct 11 Oct

7:47 a.m.

Hi Hernán, Le 10/10/2016 à 23:37, Hernán Morales Durand a écrit :

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Replacing whatever is used to navigate between classes and methods in the browser with a graph that you can use to select methods? Toggling between normal / hierarchy / call graph / whatever... Depending on the way the target code is structured, it may be more or less important for understanding. Regards, Thierry

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Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-07 4:26 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: Hi Hernán, why not use the message flow browser[1] with a scope restricted to a class? Scoped browsing with implementors / senders search is what I do in your situation. Regards, Thierry [1] https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/new-tool-flow-message-browser/ <https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/new-tool-flow-message-browser/> 2016-10-05 17:27 GMT+02:00 Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>>: Hi Tudor, Maybe you have experimented this situation before: When you face a new class with many methods you want to understand the message flow, specially with those I call the "main()" classes, where there is mostly one or two methods which trigger execution of other "private" methods. My interest is then to quickly explore the call graph at the method level, at a single class scope. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 7:24 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>>: Hi, Thanks for the report. I could reproduce the problem. Could you detail your specific requirements? What nodes would you expect to see: Methods, Classes, Packages? For example, we can have one method and show all transitive dependencies starting from that. Is this what you are looking for? Cheers, Doru

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand

<hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of

my projects. I tried to use RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose with "Compression" package in Moose Panel, and found it is used in "All famixnamespaces" and "All famixpackages" (this one is giving a MessageNotUnderstood: FAMIXClass>>FAMIXPackage). I always get 2 namespaces so I couldn't check how close enough is RTDominanceTreeLayout from Moose.

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script

using RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 6:37 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba

<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>>:

Hi, The closest layout that you can use is RTDominanceTreeLayout. What kind of call graph do you want to visualize? From you

Pharo code or something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand

<hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector

names in the graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/

<http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/>

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool>

> > Hernán

> > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>

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2016-10-11 2:47 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Hi Hernán, Le 10/10/2016 à 23:37, Hernán Morales Durand a écrit :

Replacing whatever is used to navigate between classes and methods in the browser with a graph that you can use to select methods?

No, nobody said replacing :). I was thinking more in adding a class menu item to open a Call Graph visualization.

...

Toggling between normal / hierarchy / call graph / whatever... Depending on the way the target code is structured, it may be more or less important for understanding.

Yes, as long as we don't have metrics or better documentation (I mean quality doc) integrated **into** the Browser, we need more tools to quickly view interactions and help understanding. Hernán

...

Regards, Thierry Cheers,

Hernán 2016-10-07 4:26 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: Hi Hernán, why not use the message flow browser[1] with a scope restricted to a class? Scoped browsing with implementors / senders search is what I do in your situation. Regards, Thierry [1] https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/new-tool-flow-m essage-browser/ <https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/new-tool-flow- message-browser/> 2016-10-05 17:27 GMT+02:00 Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>>: Hi Tudor, Maybe you have experimented this situation before: When you face a new class with many methods you want to understand the message flow, specially with those I call the "main()" classes, where there is mostly one or two methods which trigger execution of other "private" methods. My interest is then to quickly explore the call graph at the method level, at a single class scope. Cheers, Hernán 2016-10-05 7:24 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>>: Hi, Thanks for the report. I could reproduce the problem. Could you detail your specific requirements? What nodes would you expect to see: Methods, Classes, Packages? For example, we can have one method and show all transitive dependencies starting from that. Is this what you are looking for? Cheers, Doru

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Hernán Morales Durand

<hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tudor, Thank you for the suggestion, I want to visualize one of

However, I checked the mailing list and found a script

using RTDominanceTreeLayout so I would start from there.

Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 6:37 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba

<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>>:

Hi, The closest layout that you can use is

RTDominanceTreeLayout.

What kind of call graph do you want to visualize? From you

Pharo code or something else?

Cheers, Doru > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Hernán Morales Durand

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> > > Any call graph generator out there? > > I mean something where you can actually see selector

names in the graph (without hover) like these:

> > http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/

<http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/>

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2016-10-11 14:27 GMT+02:00 Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>om>:

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2016-10-11 2:47 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>om>:

Hi Hernán, Le 10/10/2016 à 23:37, Hernán Morales Durand a écrit :

Replacing whatever is used to navigate between classes and methods in the browser with a graph that you can use to select methods?

No, nobody said replacing :). I was thinking more in adding a class menu item to open a Call Graph visualization.

I wouldn't mind replacing if it means gaining more power ;)

...

Toggling between normal / hierarchy / call graph / whatever... Depending on the way the target code is structured, it may be more or less important for understanding.

Yes, as long as we don't have metrics or better documentation (I mean quality doc) integrated **into** the Browser, we need more tools to quickly view interactions and help understanding.

We may never replace tools that let us explore the code. I'd take interactive tools over documentation any day, as long as those interactive tools do work properly... Regards, Thierry

...

Hernán

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30 Sep 30 Sep

1:26 p.m.

Hi Hernán, I am currently developing an addon for Moose Roassal to display customizable graphs that have the names of methods and attributes in the graph. I want to use it for various languages and applications. The example in the link contains for instance database tables (green). Not shown in this example are comments. See http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~RainerWinkler/RW-Moose-Diagram and https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram/blob/master/README.md. It is an early alpha version, but I use it regularly. I invested most time in making the graph helpful for a developer not in improving the layout. But I plan to improve the layout. Best regards, Rainer -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 09/30/16 05:53 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Call graph tool? Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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1:35 p.m.

Hi Hernán, once again now with a working link :-) I am currently developing an addon for Moose Roassal to display customizable graphs that have the names of methods and attributes in the graph. I want to use it for various languages and applications. The example in the link contains for instance database tables (green). Not shown in this example are comments. See https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram It is an early alpha version, but I use it regularly. I invested most time in making the graph helpful for a developer not in improving the layout. But I plan to improve the layout. Best regards, Rainer -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 09/30/16 05:53 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Call graph tool? Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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9:28 p.m.

Hi Rainer, I installed your tool (seems very nice work!) but I cannot see how to start using it. Do you have a short script to open a visualization? Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 8:35 GMT-03:00 <rainer.winkler(a)poaceae.de>de>:

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Hi Hernán, once again now with a working link :-) I am currently developing an addon for Moose Roassal to display customizable graphs that have the names of methods and attributes in the graph. I want to use it for various languages and applications. The example in the link contains for instance database tables (green). Not shown in this example are comments. See https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram It is an early alpha version, but I use it regularly. I invested most time in making the graph helpful for a developer not in improving the layout. But I plan to improve the layout. Best regards, Rainer ------------------------------ -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 09/30/16 05:53 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Call graph tool? Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call- graph-generation-tool Hernán ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Hi Hernán, You should select more than one class or all classes. Then you have in the context menu a menu point with a name like RW Dependency graph (or so, I am currently not at a computer to check). It should work with a mse import of a Small talk program. There should be a parent Package. It might work with Java (no packages), but I have to check again. Best regards, Rainer PS Sorry I forgot the statement about the class group. PPS there is one (or more) methods at FAMIXClassGroup. Look for methods under *RWD... This is the starting points PPPS Thanks to Alexandre Bergel for providing the initial logic Am 30. September 2016 21:28:47 MESZ, schrieb "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

Hi Hernán, once again now with a working link :-) I am currently developing an addon for Moose Roassal to display customizable graphs that have the names of methods and attributes in

the

graph. I want to use it for various languages and applications. The

example

in the link contains for instance database tables (green). Not shown

this example are comments. See https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram It is an early alpha version, but I use it regularly. I invested most time in making the graph helpful for a developer not

improving the layout. But I plan to improve the layout. Best regards, Rainer ------------------------------ -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 09/30/16 05:53 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Call graph tool? Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the

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Hi Rainer, I found the menu item. Thank you. Just a quick note: When analysing PhyloclassTalk with RW Dependency I got: "prevent Overlapping stoped after 100000 steps. Call RWDiagram lCPOMaxChecks: x. where x is a higher number if needed. Runtime may be long!" This would be: We stopped drawing after 100000 steps to prevent Overlapping. Try to set up: RWDiagram lCPOMaxChecks: x where x is > 100000 if needed Runtime may be long! ? Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 17:01 GMT-03:00 Rainer Winkler <rainer.winkler(a)poaceae.de>de>:

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Hi Hernán, once again now with a working link :-) I am currently developing an addon for Moose Roassal to display customizable graphs that have the names of methods and attributes in the graph. I want to use it for various languages and applications. The example in the link contains for instance database tables (green). Not shown in this example are comments. See https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram It is an early alpha version, but I use it regularly. I invested most time in making the graph helpful for a developer not in improving the layout. But I plan to improve the layout. Best regards, Rainer ------------------------------ -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 09/30/16 05:53 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Call graph tool? Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph -generation-tool Hernán ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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Hi Hernán, for the diagram that displays only connected elements, there is a function to shift positions of elements that they do not overlap. But it is not needed for the first diagrams. You will see some methods or attributes that moved a lot in vertical direction. The reason is that the elements are quite close and the function "RWDiagram allowOverlapping." is preconfigured for a higher separation. You should deactivate it by calling " RWDiagram allowOverlapping. " in the playground. I will deactive this logic for the startup settings. It is mainly required for arranging elements by layers, "RWDiagram readLayers: ...". Best regards, Rainer -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 10/01/16 00:21 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: Call graph tool? Hi Rainer, I found the menu item. Thank you. Just a quick note: When analysing PhyloclassTalk with RW Dependency I got: "prevent Overlapping stoped after 100000 steps. Call RWDiagram lCPOMaxChecks: x. where x is a higher number if needed. Runtime may be long!" This would be: We stopped drawing after 100000 steps to prevent Overlapping. Try to set up: RWDiagram lCPOMaxChecks: x where x is > 100000 if needed Runtime may be long! ? Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 17:01 GMT-03:00 Rainer Winkler <rainer.winkler(a)poaceae.de>de>: Hi Hernán, You should select more than one class or all classes. Then you have in the context menu a menu point with a name like RW Dependency graph (or so, I am currently not at a computer to check). It should work with a mse import of a Small talk program. There should be a parent Package. It might work with Java (no packages), but I have to check again. Best regards, Rainer PS Sorry I forgot the statement about the class group. PPS there is one (or more) methods at FAMIXClassGroup. Look for methods under *RWD... This is the starting points PPPS Thanks to Alexandre Bergel for providing the initial logic Am 30. September 2016 21:28:47 MESZ, schrieb "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>om>: Hi Rainer, I installed your tool (seems very nice work!) but I cannot see how to start using it. Do you have a short script to open a visualization? Cheers, Hernán 2016-09-30 8:35 GMT-03:00 <rainer.winkler(a)poaceae.de>de>: Hi Hernán, once again now with a working link :-) I am currently developing an addon for Moose Roassal to display customizable graphs that have the names of methods and attributes in the graph. I want to use it for various languages and applications. The example in the link contains for instance database tables (green). Not shown in this example are comments. See https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram It is an early alpha version, but I use it regularly. I invested most time in making the graph helpful for a developer not in improving the layout. But I plan to improve the layout. Best regards, Rainer -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Hernán Morales Durand" <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Datum: 09/30/16 05:53 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Call graph tool? Any call graph generator out there? I mean something where you can actually see selector names in the graph (without hover) like these: http://phpcallgraph.sourceforge.net/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/793685/c-sharp-call-graph-generation-tool Hernán _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/ listinfo/moose-dev ______________________________ _________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/ listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

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