On 24 May 2011, at 22:47, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Stef,
I understand that you are frustrated by using this tool perhaps for the first time, but this kind of dialogue is simply not useful. Please let's transform it into something positive.
i know I'm trying.
The reason why those buttons are on the top-right is that they affect the entire browser in my view. One thing I can tell you though is that when an interface is uniform and you know what that is, you will know where to look.
Now, let's imagine that all tools would use exactly the same interface which actually makes sense once you give the principle a try. All of a sudden it becomes obvious.
Regarding +/- on a Mac, I had to go ask someone how to remove an account on Mac exactly because I did not manage to find the -. I am not saying that it does not make sense to have it there, but I was used to the Mac actions to be on top of my selection, not below it. Things are never black and white. That is why it is useful to talk principles, not happenings.
Regarding the contextual task, what exactly is the problem?
that import is related to models and the first thing I get is an empty list and this is where I start not to the browser of models that I have no clue what it is.
Perhaps something is not quite clear. In MoosePanel the contextual menu should work on data only. Not on panels. If you do not see data, you should not be able to use the contextual menu.
But, let me ask you again. Now that you know that the toolbar for the current browser/presentation is on the top right. Do you still have the problem of looking for it and knowing what it relates to?
Cheers, Doru
Stef
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 21:26, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
come on doru you can have a design in mind if user has to think all the time this means that the design does not work. "Ok I should not use the contextual menu for this task" repeat after me and breath..... And now I have to learn by heart
I actually agree with steph.
I do not.
The two menus might seem like an added facility but I believe they are confusing, e.g. why is there two options to import from MSE? Are they equivalent or not? (probably not since one is in the model conext menu, but then what does it do?)
You cannot expect to use a tool without considering at all how it is designed.
The design of the Moose UI is uniform and object oriented when you click on something it concerns that something http://www.themoosebook.org/book/externals/ui/entity
It is not. When I want to interact with a model I have to click somewhere on a bar while the list is in another place In fact this is remote distributed object-orientation.
So, the two are not the same. The global one will create a model, while the contextual one will populate the current model.
yeah sure. Now I have to always remember ok I should not use the contextual menu.
Now, I do agree that some of the menu items should be eliminated, and I think that the import from the model menu is one candidate.
I do not even understand what you are saying on this one.
I would also suggest a more traditional menubar above the models output instead of the buttons that are on the top right of the window. For newcomers, they are likely to be ignored because this is where one usually finds iconify/maximize/close buttons
The design is intentional and again has to do with uniformity in Glamour: the actions for a certain presentation/browser can be found on the top-right regardless of whether this is in a top window or embedded in some pane.
Well we can find all kind of good reasons. But at the end on mac there is a plus and minus **Related to the list** not on the other side of the pane. So adding and removing a model should not be at the other end of the pane.
Stef
just my 2c
Thanks :)
Cheers, Doru
nicolas
----- Mail original -----
De: "Tudor Girba" tudor@tudorgirba.com À: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch Envoyé: Mardi 24 Mai 2011 15:32:28 Objet: [Moose-dev] Re: Why we do not have import in menu Hi Stef,
I do not understand what this issue is about. Could you be more specific?
Cheers, Doru
On 24 May 2011, at 15:23, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi > > why do I have action in menus and action in toolbar? > Why as a user I have to remember where to look? > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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