Hi Cyrille,
I loaded the code from Athens and MondrianUsingRome, but when I spawn
a visualization (like system complexity or blueprint) everything is
white. Am I missing something?
I did not have time to look into it in more details.
Doru
On 21 Jun 2010, at 11:55, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
Some news:
* I still do not know where the 'concrete canvas' from Morphic is
passed as argument to a MOCanvas. Try to put a 'halt' in
MOCanvas>>drawOn: and you will see a long list of indirections
that never ends (if your image is not yet frozen ;)).
I just know that this is a FormCanvas that is passed. I also try to
replace all references in pharo of FormCanvas by RomeBalloonCanvas,
but this is still a FormCanvas that is passed to MOCanvas>>drawOn:.
Therefore I didn't find any good solution to be able to switch
between one kind of canvas to another kind. The MOCanvas is a morph,
and I am not able to control its opening.
* What I have been able to do, is to modify the MOBrowser to not add
the MOCanvas in the browser, but an ImageMorph built throught the
MOCanvas>>drawOn: method (setting myself a RomeBalloonCanvas as
parameter).
It works, but as an image morph, you will not be able to interact
(like with the usual MOCanvas morph) . But you can already see how
the visializations are drawn by basically replacing the formCanvas
by a RomeBalloonCanvas.
For simple visualization (like DistributionMap for example) , there
is no big changes.
So to try it, first, load last Version ofAthens:
www.squeaksource.com/Athens
Then the last version of Mondrian in:
www.squeaksource.com/MondrianUsingRome
And then open any visualization (in the same way that you usally do)
2010/6/16 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)inria.fr>
In that case, it is easy to use Mondrian with RomeCairoCanvas in
that case...
something like "canvas drawOn: romeCairoCanvas" should do the thing.
Alexandre
On 16 Jun 2010, at 04:03, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
Hello,
In the Rome examples, we create a Canvas on a 'Form' (and it's on
this Form that the drawing will be visible).
In all RomeExample, the form on which we display
is 'Display' (the
class representing the display screen), but we can
choose any other
kind of Form.
So basically , if you want to use a
RomeCairoCanvas, you do:
|canvas|
canvas := RomeCairoCanvas on: Display (or any other kind of
Form).
canvas drawRectangle: ...
....
canvas finish (=> to make the changes visible)
Then if you choose to display on a basic Form, I guess you can
integrate this
Form to a Morph (?).
2010/6/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)inria.fr>
> but the example proposed by jean-remi is exactly the same as the
one
proposed by jannik a while ago
this is a
complex case.
Yes, I will work on it. I have to identify where the slowness
comes from, from
Mondrian or package blueprint.
Alexandre
>
> Stef
>
> On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>> I did not say that he did not say anything. I just said that
it is
difficult to find where problems are by looking at a very
complex case. When the problems were raised, we did look into the
issues, but it was just too difficult especially when we had
multiple problems in the same time.
>>>
>>> Now we are in the situation in which multiple people noticed
multiple problems, there are some fixes, but there are still
problems left. So, we have to dig deeper and we should do it more
systematically by creating simpler cases that reproduce the problem.
It's not an issue of "I told you so", it's an issue of "We need
help
to identify all problems" :).
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doru
>>>>
>>>> Jannik said it several times - check the list. So do not tell
him that he did not want to help.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One more thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can also be that when you have expensive traversals in
your blocks, you can easily get to quadratic algorithms.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, suppose you have something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> view shape
>>>>> height: [:each | (classes select: [:target | target
invokes: each]) size].
>>>>> view nodes: classes
>>>>>
>>>>> In this case, for each class, you would traverse all classes
again, so N^2.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why we need canonical examples first that expose
complex graphs. And those people that have a direct interest in
getting Mondrian fast would be good to help in this direction,
because it can get difficult to understand the particularities of
each model :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Doru
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Jun 2010, at 13:13, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now something important is that mondrian is barely usable
for us: DSM, package blueprint, torch are all slow.
>>>>>>> I would really like
to see some pragmatic solutions to be
found. Like not computing all the blocks
all over the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what we are already discussing, but until now it is
not clear what exactly generates the slowness. I believe the problem
comes from the edges, but we have to take a more systematic look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other thing that has an impact is that right now
Mondrian computes everything lazily, so even if the visualization
appears, scrolling might still be problematic the first time you go
through the entire picture. So, testing should also take this into
account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doru
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The canvas is defined in MOCanvas. This canvas is
embedded in MOBrowser and MOEasel, which in their turn create a
StandardWindow that holds the MOCanvas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to inform the others, Cyrille is experimenting with
adding the Athens canvas (which provides an abstraction over Cairo,
Balloon and possibly others) behind Mondrian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Doru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2010, at 11:42, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been looking a bit for the place where we set
the
canvas to use in Mondrian, but I didn't find.
>>>>>>>>> I know that
all shapes are drawn on a FormCanvas, but
there is no references to FormCanvas in
mondrian classes.
>>>>>>>>> I just saw
that there is a 'defaultCanvasClass' method
in the class Form for
example, so maybe such a method is use
somewhere in the code.
>>>>>>>>> Does somoene
know the way to set a new Canvas to
Mondrian ?
>>>>>>>>>
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