FAMIX does not describe runtime objects. It depends what you want to do, but it could be interesting to have a meta-model for describing runtime entities.

Orla worked on DynaMoose ( http://moose.unibe.ch/tools/dynamoose ). It supports object flow analysis. You may find it useful.

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I am understating and hacking a bit with ImageSegment. With then, you create a segment, and you have to create it based in a graph of objects. Actually, in the implementation details, you have an array of the root objects. But ImageSegments only takes the objects that are ONLY referenced inside that array (it uses the GC techniques to achieve this task). So, what I want is to analyze with a visualization that array of objects and see the relations between them and, if possible to the "external world" (external to the array). What do you think ?

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: Using Mondrian is probably a good starting point for this. I am understating and hacking a bit with ImageSegment. With then, you create a segment, and you have to create it based in a graph of objects. Actually, in the implementation details, you have an array of the root objects. But ImageSegments only takes the objects that are ONLY referenced inside that array (it uses the GC techniques to achieve this task). So, what I want is to analyze with a visualization that array of objects and see the relations between them and, if possible to the "external world" (external to the array). What do you think ? It makes sense. You may bump into scalability problems of Mondrian however (it works fine with a couple of thousands nodes and few hundreds edges). Ok, but it doesn't matter. I just want to do little examples, not big ones :) BTW, I found some problems installing mondrian: 1) In the manual/tutorial it refers to ScriptLoader loadMondrian, which was removed in latests versions. Anyway, I did a MondrianLoader load., but then I found: 2) Gofer changed if the latest version (and MondianLoader install the latest version). Here is the warning from Gofer: "Please note that adding package references as strings (such as 'Mondrian') is no longer supported, because Gofer cannot guess your naming conventions. Adapt your code to either call #addPackage: (for full package names, e.g. 'Gofer'), #addVersion: (for complete version names, e.g. 'Gofer-lr.54') or #addQuery:do: (for full package names, e.g. 'Gofer', with the possiblity to add additional conditions, e.g. reference author: 'lr'; branch: 'super'). This lets Gofer know what exactly you want, and in return it will more likely do what you expect. Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the operation." I know Lukas did that change. We should fix it ? Is there somewhere a one click image for Modrian ? Thank you very much. Alexandre Thanks, Mariano Alexandre On 14 Dec 2009, at 10:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Hi folks! I have just subscribed to the mailing list. I have a little question for you. I want to analyze and see a graphic of a graph of objects and the references between them. Note that I want objects, at runtime. Not static, not classes. Is there something in Moose that I can use ? Cheers, Mariano _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

No problem Alexandre. Take your time ;) Thanks for your help. Mariano On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: Squeaksource is down now. I will try in a couple of minutes... Alexandre On 14 Dec 2009, at 12:40, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: Using Mondrian is probably a good starting point for this. I am understating and hacking a bit with ImageSegment. With then, you create a segment, and you have to create it based in a graph of objects. Actually, in the implementation details, you have an array of the root objects. But ImageSegments only takes the objects that are ONLY referenced inside that array (it uses the GC techniques to achieve this task). So, what I want is to analyze with a visualization that array of objects and see the relations between them and, if possible to the "external world" (external to the array). What do you think ? It makes sense. You may bump into scalability problems of Mondrian however (it works fine with a couple of thousands nodes and few hundreds edges). Ok, but it doesn't matter. I just want to do little examples, not big ones :) BTW, I found some problems installing mondrian: 1) In the manual/tutorial it refers to ScriptLoader loadMondrian, which was removed in latests versions. Anyway, I did a MondrianLoader load., but then I found: 2) Gofer changed if the latest version (and MondianLoader install the latest version). Here is the warning from Gofer: "Please note that adding package references as strings (such as 'Mondrian') is no longer supported, because Gofer cannot guess your naming conventions. Adapt your code to either call #addPackage: (for full package names, e.g. 'Gofer'), #addVersion: (for complete version names, e.g. 'Gofer-lr.54') or #addQuery:do: (for full package names, e.g. 'Gofer', with the possiblity to add additional conditions, e.g. reference author: 'lr'; branch: 'super'). This lets Gofer know what exactly you want, and in return it will more likely do what you expect. Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the operation." I know Lukas did that change. We should fix it ? Is there somewhere a one click image for Modrian ? Thank you very much. Alexandre Thanks, Mariano Alexandre On 14 Dec 2009, at 10:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Hi folks! I have just subscribed to the mailing list. I have a little question for you. I want to analyze and see a graphic of a graph of objects and the references between them. Note that I want objects, at runtime. Not static, not classes. Is there something in Moose that I can use ? Cheers, Mariano _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

I will fix the tutorial within a few days. I just tried in a Pharo 10500: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. It works fine. I cannot reproduce the problem you're mentioning. Are you trying with a Pharo-Core?

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