Hi Alex,
Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with Roassal for the web (with Amber?)? Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)?
Because soon we'll need it ;).
regards,
usman
Hi Usman,
Pablo did a lot of work on this, maybe he should have communicated a bit more :-) You can have a look at it: http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/
Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber. It would be great if you could assess what you actually need.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Usman Bhatti usman.bhatti@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Alex,
Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with Roassal for the web (with Amber?)? Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)?
Because soon we'll need it ;).
regards,
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.comwrote:
Hi Usman,
Pablo did a lot of work on this, maybe he should have communicated a bit more :-)
You can have a look at it:
Very nice, I didn't know about its existence.
Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber. It would be great if you could assess what you actually need.
Ok, I'll let you know if that suits our needs when we start using it. In the meantime, will there be a way to construct roassal visualizations on the web without needing to use Amber? Do you plan to do it?
regards,
Usman
Cheers, Alexandre
On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Usman Bhatti usman.bhatti@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Alex,
Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with
Roassal for the web (with Amber?)?
Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a
version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)?
Because soon we'll need it ;).
regards,
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Hi!
Sorry for latency in my reply.
Ok, I'll let you know if that suits our needs when we start using it. In the meantime, will there be a way to construct roassal visualizations on the web without needing to use Amber? Do you plan to do it?
Well, we can produce SVG files from Roassal @ Pharo. This means you are free to serve it via a web server directly or not.
Try this: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | builder | builder := ROMondrianViewBuilder new. builder nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. builder edgesFrom: #superclass. builder treeLayout. builder applyLayout. ROExportSVGCommand new exportView: builder view -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I think Amber cannot be avoided as soon as you want to interact with the visualization.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Usman Bhatti usman.bhatti@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Alex,
Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with Roassal for the web (with Amber?)? Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)?
Because soon we'll need it ;).
regards,
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abergel wrote
You can have a look at it: http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/
Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber
The link is broken. Is the code accessible somewhere else? Is its state the same as described earlier in this thread? Thanks!
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
abergel wrote
You can have a look at it: http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/
Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber
The link is broken. Is the code accessible somewhere else? Is its state the same as described earlier in this thread? Thanks!
Probably off topic, lately we worked with Alex to export the Roassal visualizations to the web (both SVG and HTML). The idea is open the possibility to export visualization with Seaside without requiring Amber. You can find some examples in Roassal 2.
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I've been using some exports but the look and rendering of the thing is not up to what one can do with the tick client.
That made me do D3js directly as it was easier to get the results (but the RT (or RO at the time) object model is easier to understand) in the Seaside app.
As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway).
What is the roadmap there, if any?
Phil
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
abergel wrote
You can have a look at it: http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/
Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber
The link is broken. Is the code accessible somewhere else? Is its state the same as described earlier in this thread? Thanks!
Probably off topic, lately we worked with Alex to export the Roassal visualizations to the web (both SVG and HTML). The idea is open the possibility to export visualization with Seaside without requiring Amber. You can find some examples in Roassal 2.
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On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:28 AM, philippeback [via Smalltalk] ml-node+s1294792n4774061h79@n4.nabble.com wrote:
I've been using some exports but the look and rendering of the thing is not up to what one can do with the tick client.
So just the image, no interaction, right? Not really what I meant...
As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway).
I find this comment intriguing. What are some examples of these light-years-ahead web visualizations? And why wouldn’t we want to “go there”? For me, the purpose of all these tools is self-expression, and if I’m using a visualization tool, I want to be able to express myself equally well whether on my local computer, or on a public-facing website. What am I missing?
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D3 and friends.
All web based.
I used ROHtmlExporter and made my own based on it but it was having problems. Now, I haven't looked at RT aka RO 2 as I moved to D3 in the webapp.
As for why keep the current thing going in pharo/non web is that it gives a powerful capability and I would say that is is better to make it excellent than to play catch up.
HTH
Phil
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On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:28 AM, philippeback [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4774096&i=0> wrote:
I've been using some exports but the look and rendering of the thing is not up to what one can do with the tick client.
So just the image, no interaction, right? Not really what I meant...
As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway).
I find this comment intriguing. What are some examples of these light-years-ahead web visualizations? And why wouldn’t we want to “go there”? For me, the purpose of all these tools is self-expression, and if I’m using a visualization tool, I want to be able to express myself equally well whether on my local computer, or on a public-facing website. What am I missing? Cheers, Sean
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Look at the example given in RTHTMLExporterExample. This still work in progress. It would be great if someone could help us by the way :-)
Alexandre
On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:41 AM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
D3 and friends.
All web based.
I used ROHtmlExporter and made my own based on it but it was having problems. Now, I haven't looked at RT aka RO 2 as I moved to D3 in the webapp.
As for why keep the current thing going in pharo/non web is that it gives a powerful capability and I would say that is is better to make it excellent than to play catch up.
HTH
Phil
Phil
Le 22 août 2014 04:17, "Sean P. DeNigris" sean@clipperadams.com a écrit : On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:28 AM, philippeback [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've been using some exports but the look and rendering of the thing is not up to what one can do with the tick client.
So just the image, no interaction, right? Not really what I meant...
As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway).
I find this comment intriguing. What are some examples of these light-years-ahead web visualizations? And why wouldn’t we want to “go there”? For me, the purpose of all these tools is self-expression, and if I’m using a visualization tool, I want to be able to express myself equally well whether on my local computer, or on a public-facing website. What am I missing? Cheers, Sean
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Roassal will have a reliable HTML exporter. The vision we have behind this effort, is to make sure that people can do their visualization in Pharo (therefore using their favorite tools to do this), and then export it to HTML. We have opted to spit plain SVG, with a little bit of JavaScript to handle the interaction. The benefice we will have from this, is to not rely on external library (e.g., D3, Protovis, RafaelJS), which means the webpage will be much faster to load.
Alexandre
On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:26 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway).
What is the roadmap there, if any?
Yes, and we will continue to push that very very hard in the coming year.
Alexandre
On Aug 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Usman Bhatti usman.bhatti@gmail.com wrote:
Probably off topic, lately we worked with Alex to export the Roassal visualizations to the web (both SVG and HTML). The idea is open the possibility to export visualization with Seaside without requiring Amber. You can find some examples in Roassal 2.
Hi Sean,
You can have a look at https://bitbucket.org/sergiomaass/roamber20
But it does not work well. Events are apparently not properly handled.
We are working on an html exporter. A first prototype is available. Check the class RTHTMLExporterExample
Alexandre
On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
abergel wrote
You can have a look at it: http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/
Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber
The link is broken. Is the code accessible somewhere else? Is its state the same as described earlier in this thread? Thanks!
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