Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem?
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Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem?
Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default.
Cheers
Mariano
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On May 27, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tudor Girba tudor.girba@gmail.com wrote: Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem?
Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default.
Cheers
Mariano
Doru
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I do not know. This is what the ConfigurationOfGrease says:
ConfigurationOfGrease>>version10alpha91: spec ... spec project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: '1.3'.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2010, at 18:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
+1
On May 27, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tudor Girba tudor.girba@gmail.com wrote: Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem?
Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default.
Cheers
Mariano
Doru
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On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Tudor Girba tudor.girba@gmail.com wrote:
I do not know. This is what the ConfigurationOfGrease says:
ConfigurationOfGrease>>version10alpha91: spec ... spec project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: '1.3'.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2010, at 18:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
+1
On May 27, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tudor Girba tudor.girba@gmail.com wrote: Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem?
Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default.
Cheers
Mariano
Doru
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Mariano,
Refactoring-Core is used by SLIME and SLIME is unconditionally loaded for Seaside3.0 ... I think that for at least the short term it was decided that loading _ALL_ of Seaside3.0 was better than having folks random pieces ... by default Magritte2 loads Magritte-Seaside which pulls in the whole enchilada.
You can just arrange to have just Magritte-Model loaded (without Magritte-Seaside) by just loading #('Magritte-Model')...
Dale
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dale?
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.commailto:tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: I do not know. This is what the ConfigurationOfGrease says:
ConfigurationOfGrease>>version10alpha91: spec ... spec project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: '1.3'.
Cheers, Doru
On 27 May 2010, at 18:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
+1
On May 27, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.commailto:tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem?
Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default.
Cheers
Mariano
Doru
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Hi,
I am loading explicitly Magritte (not through the ConfigurationOfMagritte), but it looks like it needs Grease, and for that I used ConfigurationOfGrease.
The question was why is Grease loading RB-Core?
Cheers, Doru
On 28 May 2010, at 02:16, Dale Henrichs wrote:
Mariano,
Refactoring-Core is used by SLIME and SLIME is unconditionally loaded for Seaside3.0 ... I think that for at least the short term it was decided that loading _ALL_ of Seaside3.0 was better than having folks random pieces ... by default Magritte2 loads Magritte- Seaside which pulls in the whole enchilada.
You can just arrange to have just Magritte-Model loaded (without Magritte-Seaside) by just loading #('Magritte-Model')...
Dale
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dale? On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.com<mailto:tudor.girba@gmail.com
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I do not know. This is what the ConfigurationOfGrease says: ConfigurationOfGrease>>version10alpha91: spec ... spec project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: '1.3'. Cheers, Doru On 27 May 2010, at 18:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: +1 On May 27, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.commailto:tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem? Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default. Cheers Mariano Doru On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.comhttp://www.tudorgirba.com "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will end up with a messy haircut." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Yeah, clearly you should not *have* to load Slime. Nor should you have to load the Seaside development tools, examples, etc... The Monticello configs need a few more groups I guess.
Julian
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Tudor Girba tudor.girba@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am loading explicitly Magritte (not through the ConfigurationOfMagritte), but it looks like it needs Grease, and for that I used ConfigurationOfGrease.
The question was why is Grease loading RB-Core?
Cheers, Doru
On 28 May 2010, at 02:16, Dale Henrichs wrote:
Mariano,
Refactoring-Core is used by SLIME and SLIME is unconditionally loaded for Seaside3.0 ... I think that for at least the short term it was decided that loading _ALL_ of Seaside3.0 was better than having folks random pieces ... by default Magritte2 loads Magritte-Seaside which pulls in the whole enchilada.
You can just arrange to have just Magritte-Model loaded (without Magritte-Seaside) by just loading #('Magritte-Model')...
Dale
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dale? On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.commailto:tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: I do not know. This is what the ConfigurationOfGrease says: ConfigurationOfGrease>>version10alpha91: spec ... spec project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: '1.3'. Cheers, Doru On 27 May 2010, at 18:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: +1 On May 27, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.commailto:tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Glamour is loading Magritte which loads Grease which loads the RB. Is this a problem? Seeing completely from outside and without knowing anything, I don't understand why Grease, as a compatible layer framework (or whatever it is) should load RB by default. Cheers Mariano Doru On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.frmailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.comhttp://www.tudorgirba.com "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will end up with a messy haircut." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.chmailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Julian Fitzell wrote:
Yeah, clearly you should not *have* to load Slime. Nor should you have to load the Seaside development tools, examples, etc... The Monticello configs need a few more groups I guess.
Julian
Julian,
There are a number of things that could be restructured in Seaside3.0. For one thing there are several "projects" that are embedded in the Seaside3.0 Metacello configuration:
- Javascript - JQuery - Prototype - RSS - Scriptaculous - Comet
Each of these _could_ (should?) be broken out into their own configuration. Grease, Swazoo2, and Kom are already broken out into separate configurations.
Once that's done you could start creating some groups that carve the remaining packages into logical chunks...
I will probably start some intensive Seaside3.0 work next week (after the holiday on Monday:). So that would be a good time to do some configuration refactoring and group defining...Other than the (obvious to me) new configs I mentioned above, I don't have an opinion on how the system should be grouped, so you guys need to make the decisions ... I'll take your desires and turn them into Metacello definitions.
Possibile groupings would include things like the following (keep in mind that the minimum loadable chunk in Metacello is a package, so the groups should be designed to create commonly used groupings without having to cover all possible combos):
- core without continuations - core with continuations - production tools (tools that should be included in production) - development tools (broader range of tools) - slime - addons bundle (for things like email, html5, internet explorer) - separate groups for each each of the Adaptors
I think there are several additional possibilities carving up tests, but I think that test grouping should be deferred until we've got a firm grasp on the non-test groupings.
Dale
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