Hi all,
Glamour has been a really empowering framework for quick prototyping of my ideas, but my browser starts to need more common user interface things:
1. A explicit menu with submenus on top of the browser windows (not hidden behind the dots like now). 2. Better icons and a tool bar. 3. A contextual menu in each node of the tree for actions on that node.
I remember an introductory video of Tudor where he said that Moose is not for general interface building (I can't find it right now) and If I'm well some time ago versioner was made on Glamour.
So, my question is: If I want the features of a common interface, which is the best approach? Rewrite the interface on Spec or mixing/extend some parts of the browser with spec or anything else? If the last is the case, there is any documentation or examples I can look?
Thanks,
Offray
On 24 apr. 2015, at 23:52, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas offray@riseup.net wrote: Glamour has been a really empowering framework for quick prototyping of my ideas, but my browser starts to need more common user interface things:
- A explicit menu with submenus on top of the browser windows (not hidden behind the dots like now).
- Better icons and a tool bar.
- A contextual menu in each node of the tree for actions on that node.
Sounds perfectly compatible with Glamour. You might need to make some small extensions to Glamour for 1 and perhaps the tool bar. For understanding how to extend you'll need to take a look at how things are done in Morphic
Stephan
Hi Stephan,
Thanks. The main issue for me with morphic is there is little information right now, except may be for [1] and the upcoming information from the Kilion chapter/document. I will take a look to Spec, which seems to have the most updated/complete documentation now and get a feeling of it and come back with findings/inquiries.
[1] http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/PBE1/PBE1ch12.html
Cheers,
Offray
El 25/04/15 a las 00:47, Stephan Eggermont escribió:
On 24 apr. 2015, at 23:52, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas offray@riseup.net wrote: Glamour has been a really empowering framework for quick prototyping of my ideas, but my browser starts to need more common user interface things:
- A explicit menu with submenus on top of the browser windows (not hidden behind the dots like now).
- Better icons and a tool bar.
- A contextual menu in each node of the tree for actions on that node.
Sounds perfectly compatible with Glamour. You might need to make some small extensions to Glamour for 1 and perhaps the tool bar. For understanding how to extend you'll need to take a look at how things are done in Morphic
Stephan
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Op 25 apr. 2015 om 18:10 heeft Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas offray@riseup.net het volgende geschreven:
Hi Stephan,
Thanks. The main issue for me with morphic is there is little information right now, except may be for [1] and the upcoming information from the Kilion chapter/document. I will take a look to Spec, which seems to have the most updated/complete documentation now and get a feeling of it and come back with findings/inquiries.
That won't really help you. Spec is mapped to Morphic. It might be easier to understand Bloc, but that isn't finished. Morphic documentation exists, but is widely dispersed and partially woefully out of date. The squeak wiki provides lots of information. Also take a look at Polymorph for how things can actually work (but perhaps not for how to structure it) and in a Squeak image for lots of sample code.
Stephan
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Stephan Eggermont stephan@stack.nl wrote:
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 25 apr. 2015 om 18:10 heeft Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray@riseup.net> het volgende geschreven:
Hi Stephan,
Thanks. The main issue for me with morphic is there is little
information right now, except may be for [1] and the upcoming information from the Kilion chapter/document. I will take a look to Spec, which seems to have the most updated/complete documentation now and get a feeling of it and come back with findings/inquiries.
That won't really help you. Spec is mapped to Morphic.
Having more stuff under Spec than Morphic would help with the interface. There is a lot of mess, but there is also continued effort to clean it up and make it work as it should. But in principle nothing should really be stopping you (imho) from writing GlamourAdapter between Spec and Glamour just like it is done for Morphic.
Unless you are doing something really specific and want very tight control over things (e.g. Spotter) Spec should be the go-to choice.
1. A explicit menu with submenus on top of the browser windows (not hidden
behind the dots like now). 2. Better icons and a tool bar.
Spec has support for this
also look at ApplicationWithToolbar new openWithSpec
- A contextual menu in each node of the tree for actions on that node.
This can be also done
look at TreeModel, and ListModel; both have class-side examples.
Peter
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 25 apr. 2015 om 20:05 heeft Peter Uhnák i.uhnak@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
Having more stuff under Spec than Morphic would help with the interface.
That is a long term goal. As a next step for his current application it is a bad idea. It is adding another layer with little benefit.
But in principle nothing should really be stopping you (imho) from writing GlamourAdapter between Spec and Glamour just like it is done for Morphic.
Can be done. Provides no added value atm. Once Bloc is ready that decision should be revisited
Unless you are doing something really specific and want very tight control over things (e.g. Spotter) Spec should be the go-to choice.
No. He has a Glamour application and just needs a few enhancements. Just make them in Glamour/Morphic/Magritte-Morphic
Stephan
Hi,
Thanks Peter and Stephen for presenting your options. Probably this UI enhancements and improvements will wait a little because I will need to improve the code and functionality first a bit more, but I want to start mapping options right now. Seems that Spec has a lot of prebuilt parts, but I wouldn't like to rewrite the interface already in glamour completely on Spec.
I would like to start with something small to evaluate the options. Something like: How to add a visible menu on top of the browser window?
If you can point me a more specific direction about how make this exploration with your suggested options, I could tell you what seems more appropriate.
Cheers,
Offray
El 25/04/15 a las 14:10, Stephan Eggermont escribió:
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 25 apr. 2015 om 20:05 heeft Peter Uhnák i.uhnak@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
Having more stuff under Spec than Morphic would help with the interface.
That is a long term goal. As a next step for his current application it is a bad idea. It is adding another layer with little benefit.
But in principle nothing should really be stopping you (imho) from writing GlamourAdapter between Spec and Glamour just like it is done for Morphic.
Can be done. Provides no added value atm. Once Bloc is ready that decision should be revisited
Unless you are doing something really specific and want very tight control over things (e.g. Spotter) Spec should be the go-to choice.
No. He has a Glamour application and just needs a few enhancements. Just make them in Glamour/Morphic/Magritte-Morphic
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"and the upcoming information from the Kilion chapter/document"
My MorphicDoc project is on low priority because of focusing on other things. Its just a documentation of the things I learn from Morphic and an excuse to learn Morphic. So I dont want to get people's expectations high that this is something that will be finished any time soon or that will move in a quick way. But I will add things to it from time to time, so as a project it won die.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 10:49 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray@riseup.net> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks Peter and Stephen for presenting your options. Probably this UI enhancements and improvements will wait a little because I will need to improve the code and functionality first a bit more, but I want to start mapping options right now. Seems that Spec has a lot of prebuilt parts, but I wouldn't like to rewrite the interface already in glamour completely on Spec.
I would like to start with something small to evaluate the options. Something like: How to add a visible menu on top of the browser window?
If you can point me a more specific direction about how make this exploration with your suggested options, I could tell you what seems more appropriate.
Cheers,
Offray
El 25/04/15 a las 14:10, Stephan Eggermont escribió:
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 25 apr. 2015 om 20:05 heeft Peter Uhnák i.uhnak@gmail.com het
volgende geschreven:
Having more stuff under Spec than Morphic would help with the interface.
That is a long term goal. As a next step for his current application it
is a bad idea. It is adding another layer with little benefit.
But in principle nothing should really be stopping you (imho) from
writing GlamourAdapter between Spec and Glamour just like it is done for Morphic.
Can be done. Provides no added value atm. Once Bloc is ready that
decision should be revisited
Unless you are doing something really specific and want very tight
control over things (e.g. Spotter) Spec should be the go-to choice.
No. He has a Glamour application and just needs a few enhancements. Just make them in Glamour/Morphic/Magritte-Morphic
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One option that may be feasible, and I think is interesting in general, is to find a way to embed a Glamourous presentation inside a Spec UI. This way you can mix and match. You can have one widget of the UI one Glamour presentation, or multiple widgets multiple Glamour presentations (et cetera). If you can make Glamour give you a Morph instead of opening its own window, send it the message asSpecAdapter. The returned value is a Spec widget that you can use in your Spec UI.
For documentation on Spec, have a look at https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/PharoBookWorkInProgres...
On Apr 25, 2015, at 16:54, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas offray@riseup.net wrote:
Hi,
Thanks Peter and Stephen for presenting your options. Probably this UI enhancements and improvements will wait a little because I will need to improve the code and functionality first a bit more, but I want to start mapping options right now. Seems that Spec has a lot of prebuilt parts, but I wouldn't like to rewrite the interface already in glamour completely on Spec.
I would like to start with something small to evaluate the options. Something like: How to add a visible menu on top of the browser window?
If you can point me a more specific direction about how make this exploration with your suggested options, I could tell you what seems more appropriate.
Cheers,
Offray
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