hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points: - fuzzy discussion on moose-dev - I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :) - web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one could be fixed first) - GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD. - Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one could
be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog
"Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."
ok
On 26 nov. 07, at 14:40, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one could
be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog
"Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one could
be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog
"Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
I imagine and yes you are welcome.
stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 01:52, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one could
be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
hi Doru
what is the first version of moose the old that was completely BSD? I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code with funny license in moose. I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation and the attitude of adrian. So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. Now as a community we should react and I start to be really pissed off by such a childish atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other people what can I say.
I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will really do a campaign against moose and the foundation and all the shit around.
First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
Stef
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog
"Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
no, the board list is for the board.. at least that is the point of having a board. If I'm on the wrong page, then I'll just call myself out of all this, because it starts to get annoying. Honestly, there is a moose-dev list, which is for people to talk about DEVelopment issues, and there is a moose board list, on which the elected board members are supposed to talk (in civilized terms). Please let's keep these things separate..
Michele
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/cooks_spoil.html
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:08 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I imagine and yes you are welcome.
stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 01:52, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one
could be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without Meta? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100
Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members,
Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would like to know exactly what is going on with Moose. I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be good if we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve them.
Cheers, Orla
On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
> hi Doru > > what is the first version of moose the old that was completely > BSD? > I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code > with > funny license in moose. > I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation > and > the attitude of adrian. > So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. > Now as a community we should react and I start to be really > pissed > off by such a childish > atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other > people > what can I say. > > I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will > really > do > a campaign against moose > and the foundation and all the shit around. > > First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY HAVE > SOMETHING ELSE TO DO > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog
"Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
ok it was not clear to me that moose was for the board. I thought that moose was for the association.
Stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 11:23, Michele Lanza wrote:
no, the board list is for the board.. at least that is the point of having a board. If I'm on the wrong page, then I'll just call myself out of all this, because it starts to get annoying. Honestly, there is a moose-dev list, which is for people to talk about DEVelopment issues, and there is a moose board list, on which the elected board members are supposed to talk (in civilized terms).
thanks for the pun.
Please let's keep these things separate..
Michele
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/cooks_spoil.html
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:08 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I imagine and yes you are welcome.
stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 01:52, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one
could be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would like to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little bit less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory talk in ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time).
I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem.
cheers, Toon
On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote:
> From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch > To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools > <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > > Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without > Meta? > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100 > > Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members, > > Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would > like to > know exactly what is going on with Moose. > I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be > good if > we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve > them. > > Cheers, > Orla > > On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: > > >> hi Doru >> >> what is the first version of moose the old that was completely >> BSD? >> I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code >> with >> funny license in moose. >> I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation >> and >> the attitude of adrian. >> So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. >> Now as a community we should react and I start to be really >> pissed >> off by such a childish >> atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other >> people >> what can I say. >> >> I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will >> really >> do >> a campaign against moose >> and the foundation and all the shit around. >> >> First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY >> HAVE >> SOMETHING ELSE TO DO >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Hi,
moose@iam.unibe.ch is the mailing for the Moose Association Executive Board and it should remain like that :).
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
ok it was not clear to me that moose was for the board. I thought that moose was for the association.
Stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 11:23, Michele Lanza wrote:
no, the board list is for the board.. at least that is the point of having a board. If I'm on the wrong page, then I'll just call myself out of all this, because it starts to get annoying. Honestly, there is a moose-dev list, which is for people to talk about DEVelopment issues, and there is a moose board list, on which the elected board members are supposed to talk (in civilized terms).
thanks for the pun.
Please let's keep these things separate..
Michele
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/ cooks_spoil.html
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:08 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I imagine and yes you are welcome.
stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 01:52, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of my idiot behavior So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is something to consider our communication medium is email (at least for the people outisde of bern) and sometimes the communication is noisy.
doru
I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the topic (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years).
Here are some points:
- fuzzy discussion on moose-dev
- I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought
that moose was deprecated else I would have shout there :)
- web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one
could be fixed first)
- GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD.
- Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the parts
touched by what. (may be this was said and I did not understand it as it should have).
I think that we should have a clear statement and position to solve that for the future. Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask the past moosers to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me.
<MooseLicenseAgreement.doc>
Stef
On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote:
> Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would > like > to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a little > bit > less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory > talk in > ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time). > > I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem. > > cheers, > Toon > > On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote: > >> From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch >> To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools >> <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >> >> Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without >> Meta? >> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100 >> >> Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members, >> >> Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would >> like to >> know exactly what is going on with Moose. >> I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be >> good if >> we sit together and identify what the problems are and we solve >> them. >> >> Cheers, >> Orla >> >> On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: >> >> >>> hi Doru >>> >>> what is the first version of moose the old that was completely >>> BSD? >>> I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code >>> with >>> funny license in moose. >>> I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the situation >>> and >>> the attitude of adrian. >>> So if he wants to play alone and build a great system perfect. >>> Now as a community we should react and I start to be really >>> pissed >>> off by such a childish >>> atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other >>> people >>> what can I say. >>> >>> I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will >>> really >>> do >>> a campaign against moose >>> and the foundation and all the shit around. >>> >>> First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY >>> HAVE >>> SOMETHING ELSE TO DO >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Hi Folks,
Please make two new mailing lists called moose-board and moose-assoc.
The email moose@iam.unibe.ch is not a good one, as it is absolutely not clear what it is for.
At best it should be a user account and not a mailing list.
- on
On Nov 27, 2007, at 15:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
moose@iam.unibe.ch is the mailing for the Moose Association Executive Board and it should remain like that :).
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
ok it was not clear to me that moose was for the board. I thought that moose was for the association.
Stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 11:23, Michele Lanza wrote:
no, the board list is for the board.. at least that is the point of having a board. If I'm on the wrong page, then I'll just call myself out of all this, because it starts to get annoying. Honestly, there is a moose-dev list, which is for people to talk about DEVelopment issues, and there is a moose board list, on which the elected board members are supposed to talk (in civilized terms).
thanks for the pun.
Please let's keep these things separate..
Michele
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/ cooks_spoil.html
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:08 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I imagine and yes you are welcome.
stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 01:52, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of > my > idiot behavior > So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is > something to consider > our communication medium is email (at least for the people > outisde > of bern) and > sometimes the communication is noisy. > > > doru > > I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was > stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not > clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the > topic > (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years). > > Here are some points: > - fuzzy discussion on moose-dev > - I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought > that moose was deprecated > else I would have shout there :) > - web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one > could > be fixed first) > - GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD. > - Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the > parts > touched by what. (may be this was said > and I did not understand it as it should have). > > I think that we should have a clear statement and position to > solve > that for the future. > Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to > sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask > the > past moosers > to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me. > > > <MooseLicenseAgreement.doc> > > > Stef > > > > > On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote: > > >> Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would >> like >> to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a >> little >> bit >> less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory >> talk in >> ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time). >> >> I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem. >> >> cheers, >> Toon >> >> On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote: >> >>> From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch >>> To: Related to the development of Moose and other related >>> tools >>> <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>> >>> Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without >>> Meta? >>> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100 >>> >>> Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members, >>> >>> Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would >>> like to >>> know exactly what is going on with Moose. >>> I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be >>> good if >>> we sit together and identify what the problems are and we >>> solve >>> them. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Orla >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: >>> >>> >>>> hi Doru >>>> >>>> what is the first version of moose the old that was >>>> completely >>>> BSD? >>>> I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code >>>> with >>>> funny license in moose. >>>> I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the >>>> situation >>>> and >>>> the attitude of adrian. >>>> So if he wants to play alone and build a great system >>>> perfect. >>>> Now as a community we should react and I start to be really >>>> pissed >>>> off by such a childish >>>> atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other >>>> people >>>> what can I say. >>>> >>>> I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will >>>> really >>>> do >>>> a campaign against moose >>>> and the foundation and all the shit around. >>>> >>>> First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY >>>> HAVE >>>> SOMETHING ELSE TO DO >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >
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On 27 nov. 07, at 15:51, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
moose@iam.unibe.ch is the mailing for the Moose Association Executive Board and it should remain like that :).
Yes I was not saying the contrary. So moose-dev is for the association and the developers.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
ok it was not clear to me that moose was for the board. I thought that moose was for the association.
Stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 11:23, Michele Lanza wrote:
no, the board list is for the board.. at least that is the point of having a board. If I'm on the wrong page, then I'll just call myself out of all this, because it starts to get annoying. Honestly, there is a moose-dev list, which is for people to talk about DEVelopment issues, and there is a moose board list, on which the elected board members are supposed to talk (in civilized terms).
thanks for the pun.
Please let's keep these things separate..
Michele
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/ cooks_spoil.html
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:08 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I imagine and yes you are welcome.
stef
On 27 nov. 07, at 01:52, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Is there a possibility for me to join this list? Or is it board only? I believe this concerns me too, at least...
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
Please keep these emails on moose@iam.unibe.ch at the moment, as it is the job of the Board to settle it.
Cheers, Doru
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> sorry for shouting and putting the mess. Here is my analysis of > my > idiot behavior > So do not hesitate to send my stones. I think that there is > something to consider > our communication medium is email (at least for the people > outisde > of bern) and > sometimes the communication is noisy. > > > doru > > I think that I over reacted about the license. So may be I was > stupid but may be this is also that the situation was really not > clear. I'm trying to understand why I was so touched by the > topic > (beside been burnt by squeak over the last 4 years). > > Here are some points: > - fuzzy discussion on moose-dev > - I was not aware that there is a moose and moose-dev I thought > that moose was deprecated > else I would have shout there :) > - web site with a lot of unclear licenses (so may be this one > could > be fixed first) > - GPL discussion in addition to creativecommons to BSD. > - Not clear statement from an outsider about what were the > parts > touched by what. (may be this was said > and I did not understand it as it should have). > > I think that we should have a clear statement and position to > solve > that for the future. > Here is a draft of the moose license that we could ask people to > sign. Once you have the missing information, then I could ask > the > past moosers > to sign it: sara, pierrick, hani, mathieu, damien and me. > > > <MooseLicenseAgreement.doc> > > > Stef > > > > > On 25 nov. 07, at 16:32, Toon Verwaest wrote: > > >> Even while I am not a board member, I agree with Orla and would >> like >> to join in on this. I think it woulod be useful to have a >> little >> bit >> less mindless shouting but instead a reasonable explenatory >> talk in >> ---1--- mail (thread, one person talking at a time). >> >> I probably missed the mail with the origin of the problem. >> >> cheers, >> Toon >> >> On (25/11/07 12:57), Orla Greevy wrote: >> >>> From: Orla Greevy greevy@iam.unibe.ch >>> To: Related to the development of Moose and other related >>> tools >>> <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>> >>> Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: What is the first of Moose without >>> Meta? >>> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:57:16 +0100 >>> >>> Hi Stef, Hi other Moose Board members, >>> >>> Could we have a board meeting in Bern sometime soon? I would >>> like to >>> know exactly what is going on with Moose. >>> I cannot keep up with the volume of email. I think it would be >>> good if >>> we sit together and identify what the problems are and we >>> solve >>> them. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Orla >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:24 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: >>> >>> >>>> hi Doru >>>> >>>> what is the first version of moose the old that was >>>> completely >>>> BSD? >>>> I want to know the price that I have to pay not to have code >>>> with >>>> funny license in moose. >>>> I'm sorry but I start to be really pissed off by the >>>> situation >>>> and >>>> the attitude of adrian. >>>> So if he wants to play alone and build a great system >>>> perfect. >>>> Now as a community we should react and I start to be really >>>> pissed >>>> off by such a childish >>>> atttitude. So if adrian does not know how to respect other >>>> people >>>> what can I say. >>>> >>>> I would really like to see this issue resolve. Else I will >>>> really >>>> do >>>> a campaign against moose >>>> and the foundation and all the shit around. >>>> >>>> First I decided that I will quit the board because I REALLY >>>> HAVE >>>> SOMETHING ELSE TO DO >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >
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