Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not just as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that aMooseElement references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending #perform: of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use #instVarAt: (and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references - declare some instance variables as transient - if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such copy instead of the original element - any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not just as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that aMooseElement references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending #perform: of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use #instVarAt: (and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such copy instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not just as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that aMooseElement references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending #perform: of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use #instVarAt: (and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such copy instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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Hi,
Thanks for re-pinging us. I somehow did not see it before. Strange :).
As far as I understand, you are worried about speed. Is that right?
In any case, the problem with your proposition is that some properties are not stored in explicit instance variables, but in a dictionary in EntityState. That means that only looking at the instance variables you can miss important things. The ultimate truth of what needs to be serialized lies in the meta-description. I would not know how to go around that.
Cheers, Doru
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
ping?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not just as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that aMooseElement references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending #perform: of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use #instVarAt: (and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such copy instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for re-pinging us. I somehow did not see it before. Strange :).
As far as I understand, you are worried about speed. Is that right?
It was partially about speed, but also about improving the implementation, which I don't like very much. Fuel has features that were not available when I wrote extensions's code.
In any case, the problem with your proposition is that some properties are not stored in explicit instance variables, but in a dictionary in EntityState. That means that only looking at the instance variables you can miss important things. The ultimate truth of what needs to be serialized lies in the meta-description. I would not know how to go around that.
Thank you, I'll think on this in a couple of weeks.
Regards, Martin
Cheers, Doru
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
ping?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help
me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not
just
as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that
aMooseElement
references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending
#perform:
of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use
#instVarAt:
(and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such
copy
instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for re-pinging us. I somehow did not see it before. Strange :).
As far as I understand, you are worried about speed. Is that right?
I was playing a bit (updating Moose extensions to latest Fuel) and I also noticed the same as Martin. The 70% of the export time is taken by these 4 methods: #numberOfLinesOfCode, #cyclomaticComplexity, #numberOfConditionals and #numberOfStatements which seem to be computed during the export. I don't really know much about Moose, but I attach a screenshot of the profile.
So, is that correct/expect? are those values already calculated/stored somewhere?
thanks
In any case, the problem with your proposition is that some properties are not stored in explicit instance variables, but in a dictionary in EntityState. That means that only looking at the instance variables you can miss important things. The ultimate truth of what needs to be serialized lies in the meta-description. I would not know how to go around that.
Cheers, Doru
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
re-ping?
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
ping?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help
me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not
just
as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that
aMooseElement
references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending
#perform:
of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use
#instVarAt:
(and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such
copy
instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for re-pinging us. I somehow did not see it before. Strange :).
As far as I understand, you are worried about speed. Is that right?
I was playing a bit (updating Moose extensions to latest Fuel) and I also noticed the same as Martin. The 70% of the export time is taken by these 4 methods: #numberOfLinesOfCode, #cyclomaticComplexity, #numberOfConditionals and #numberOfStatements which seem to be computed during the export. I don't really know much about Moose, but I attach a screenshot of the profile.
sorry, here it is the attach.
So, is that correct/expect? are those values already calculated/stored somewhere?
thanks
In any case, the problem with your proposition is that some properties are not stored in explicit instance variables, but in a dictionary in EntityState. That means that only looking at the instance variables you can miss important things. The ultimate truth of what needs to be serialized lies in the meta-description. I would not know how to go around that.
Cheers, Doru
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
re-ping?
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
ping?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help
me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not
just
as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that
aMooseElement
references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then
to
import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending
#perform:
of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use
#instVarAt:
(and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize
such copy
instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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Hi,
Thanks for looking into this.
These properties are mandatory only for FAMIX models. However, they are computed lazily: if they exist, they do not get computed again. So, this is great news :).
And here is another thing: the FuelMooseExtension works at the level of Fame, which is a meta-engine that, like Magritte, can describe any meta-models (not just FAMIX). So, knowing that we can export those meta-models for free and quite fast is great.
As I mentioned at PharoConf, the uber-cool thing would be to have the Fuel serialization available in Java :). That is because we already have Fame there, and thus, we could have a fast data route between the two worlds.
Cheers, Doru
On 28 May 2012, at 14:57, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi,
Thanks for re-pinging us. I somehow did not see it before. Strange :).
As far as I understand, you are worried about speed. Is that right?
I was playing a bit (updating Moose extensions to latest Fuel) and I also noticed the same as Martin. The 70% of the export time is taken by these 4 methods: #numberOfLinesOfCode, #cyclomaticComplexity, #numberOfConditionals and #numberOfStatements which seem to be computed during the export. I don't really know much about Moose, but I attach a screenshot of the profile.
sorry, here it is the attach.
So, is that correct/expect? are those values already calculated/stored somewhere?
thanks
In any case, the problem with your proposition is that some properties are not stored in explicit instance variables, but in a dictionary in EntityState. That means that only looking at the instance variables you can miss important things. The ultimate truth of what needs to be serialized lies in the meta-description. I would not know how to go around that.
Cheers, Doru
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
re-ping?
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
ping?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Martin Dias tinchodias@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking to improve current implementation, and maybe you can help me.
The current procedure is based in a custom serialization of each MooseElement. It's inspired on MSE, I describe this with the following pseudo-code:
serialize: aMooseElement (MooseModel meta descriptionOf: aMooseElement class) allAttributes do: [ :anAttribute | | values | values := anAttribute getFrom: aMooseElement. (self shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values) ifFalse: [ self serialize: anAttribute withAll: values ] ].
where:
shouldIgnore: anAttribute withAll: values ^ values isEmpty or: [ anAttribute isDerived or: [ anAttribute type == FM3MetaDescription boolean and: [ values size == 1 and: [ values first == false ]]]]
The advantage of serializing the MooseElements in this way (and not just as a normal object) is to avoid storing unnecessary stuff that aMooseElement references.
It's a disadvantage using FM3PropertyDescription>>getFrom: (and then to import, FM3PropertyDescription>>setOn:values:) which ends sending #perform: of the corresponding accessor selector. It'd be better to use #instVarAt: (and #instVarAt:put:) as Fuel normally does.
I hope I've been clear enough to explain up to this point. Now my question:
Do you think Fuel can do something on each MooseElement like
- clean up some unnecessary references
- declare some instance variables as transient
- if it's not good idea to modify the elements, create a method like
MooseElement>>copyWithoutDerivedValues, and so actually serialize such copy instead of the original element
- any other
???
and thus, serialize the MooseElements as normal Fuel objects, removing the custom procedure.
I'll be happy to receive some help from Moose and Fame experts! Thanks in advance.
Martín
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I have a question about the screenshot:
FAMIXType >> numberOfStatements <MSEProperty: #numberOfStatements type: #Number> <derived> <MSEComment: 'The number of statements in a class'> ^self lookUpPropertyNamed: #numberOfStatements computedAs: [self methodsGroup sum: #numberOfStatements]
is *derived*, so (look at the in the code in the bottom of the picture):
self shouldIgnore: 'numberOfStatements' withAll: values
will return false, and thus "values" (which was so expensive to calculate) will be discarded (not encoded).
I mean, our code could be optimized. Right?
Martín
Hi,
FAMIXType>>numberOfStatements is derived, but the screenshot shows FAMIXMethod>>numberOfStatements which is not :).
In most cases, those values are needed. However, for non-default cases, we can use a filter at the Fame level to specify which properties we are interested in.
Cheers, Doru
On 29 May 2012, at 08:32, Martin Dias wrote:
I have a question about the screenshot:
FAMIXType >> numberOfStatements <MSEProperty: #numberOfStatements type: #Number>
<derived> <MSEComment: 'The number of statements in a class'> ^self lookUpPropertyNamed: #numberOfStatements computedAs: [self methodsGroup sum: #numberOfStatements]
is *derived*, so (look at the in the code in the bottom of the picture):
self shouldIgnore: 'numberOfStatements' withAll: values
will return false, and thus "values" (which was so expensive to calculate) will be discarded (not encoded).
I mean, our code could be optimized. Right?
Martín
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