7 Dec
2014
7 Dec
'14
2:14 p.m.
Hi,
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the
Glamorous Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
GTSpotter has two goals:
- Provide a uniform yet moldable interface that can work on any object, and
- Handle searching through arbitrary levels of object nesting.
We think this will have a significant impact on the development workflow in
Pharo.
Here is a couple of screenshots:
[image: Inline image 2] [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 3]
A trailer is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSmjR3NOlU
A detailed description is available here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter
It works already in Pharo 3.0 and can be played with by following the
instructions from:
http://gt.moosetechnology.org
Please let us know what you think.
Enjoy,
The Glamorous Team
7 Dec
7 Dec
2:52 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-users] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hola,
Andrei demoed it to me on friday and it is *extremely* cool. I can’t wait to start using
it for my next development session.
I have one request though (as I already mentioned to Andrei). Since you are using a
significant part of the screen, it would not be costly to (e.g. at the bottom) put a small
legend of the non-obvious keystroke combinations. It would greatly increase
discoverability of the features of the tool.
Considering the blog post, the legend would be ( I don’t understand the difference between
the last 2):
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into,
Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = ???
On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:14, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the Glamorous
Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
GTSpotter has two goals:
- Provide a uniform yet moldable interface that can work on any object, and
- Handle searching through arbitrary levels of object nesting.
We think this will have a significant impact on the development workflow in Pharo.
Here is a couple of screenshots:
<gtspotter-packages-classes.png> <gtspotter-dive-class-method-sender.png>
<gtspotter-playground.png>
A trailer is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSmjR3NOlU
A detailed description is available here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter
It works already in Pharo 3.0 and can be played with by following the instructions from:
http://gt.moosetechnology.org
Please let us know what you think.
Enjoy,
The Glamorous Team
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3:16 p.m.
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Hi,
Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the
shortkeys directly on the actions.
The answer to your question is in the blog post:
GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing
Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the
items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside
the category.
So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more
items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
Cheers,
Doru
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Hola,
Andrei demoed it to me on friday and it is *extremely* cool. I can’t wait
to start using it for my next development session.
I have one request though (as I already mentioned to Andrei). Since you
are using a significant part of the screen, it would not be costly to (e.g.
at the bottom) put a small legend of the non-obvious keystroke
combinations. It would greatly increase discoverability of the features of
the tool.
Considering the blog post, the legend would be ( I don’t understand the
difference between the last 2):
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive
into, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = ???
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:14, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to
the
Glamorous Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting
objects.
GTSpotter has two goals:
- Provide a uniform yet moldable interface that can work on any object,
and
- Handle searching through arbitrary levels of
object nesting.
We think this will have a significant impact on the development workflow
in
Pharo.
Here is a couple of screenshots:
<gtspotter-packages-classes.png>
<gtspotter-dive-class-method-sender.png> <gtspotter-playground.png>
A trailer is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSmjR3NOlU
A detailed description is available here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter
It works already in Pharo 3.0 and can be played with by following the
instructions
from:
http://gt.moosetechnology.org
Please let us know what you think.
Enjoy,
The Glamorous Team
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PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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8 Dec
4:02 p.m.
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Sorry, but no :-(
I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded
meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means
here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly
on the actions.
The answer to your question is in the blog post:
GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight
dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can
continue refining the search inside the category.
So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once
(not just 5). Is it clearer now?
Cheers,
Doru
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4:48 p.m.
New subject: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hi,
Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of
explaining.
Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows
results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and
"Packages"
are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query
processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your
objects" section from the bottom of the post).
In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package
that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can
dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This
is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another
name?
Cheers,
Doru
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry, but no :-(
I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so
many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not
clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the
collection object?
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the
shortkeys
directly on the actions.
The answer to your question is in the blog post:
GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing
Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the
items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside
the category.
So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see
more items
at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
Cheers,
Doru
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5:17 p.m.
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OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the
collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols
and packages and I got lost.
I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show
changes):
To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing
Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can
continue refining the search inside the category.
So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result,
Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for
Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we
call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them
with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the
post).
In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the
query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection
behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight.
Does it make more sense now?
I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
Cheers,
Doru
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry, but no :-(
I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded
meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means
here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
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On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly
on the actions.
The answer to your question is in the blog post:
GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight
dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can
continue refining the search inside the category.
So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once
(not just 5). Is it clearer now?
Cheers,
Doru
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"Every thing has its own flow"
11:36 p.m.
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Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will
definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
Cheers,
Doru
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking
about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and
source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this
(uppercase to show changes):
To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS
category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS
OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the
category.
So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list
would be:
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive
into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
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www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of
explaining.
Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows
results
both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages"
are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query
processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your
objects" section from the bottom of the post).
In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package
that
match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can
dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This
is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose
another name?
Cheers,
Doru
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>
wrote:
Sorry, but no :-(
I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so
many
overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not
clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the
collection object?
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the
shortkeys directly on the actions.
>
> The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing
Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the
items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside
the category.
>
> So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see
more
items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
Cheers,
Doru
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"Every thing has its own flow" 
7 Dec
7 Dec
6:57 p.m.
On 07 Dec 2014, at 14:14, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the Glamorous
Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
Excellent work, all around. Congratulations to the team. Thank you for pushing things like
this, for thinking differently.
Yes, I want this in Pharo 4 too, ASAP (especially since the main shortcut is different
from the old one, cmd+Enter vs. shift+Enter).
The presentation is again very well done too: excellent article, super movie. You are
putting the bar very high for the rest of us ;-)
A suggestion/idea: would it be possible to take the current selection anywhere and feed it
into Spotter ? That way there would be very good way to make it replace all the other
shortcuts: you would get implementers, senders, references almost for free.
Sven
7:07 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hi Sven,
Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, having the current selection is one of
the things we should keep in mind. For that we need to go to the next step
and integrate the interface in the overall environment. This will certainly
come.
Cheers,
Doru
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote:
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On 07 Dec 2014, at 14:14, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to
the
Glamorous Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting
objects.
Excellent work, all around. Congratulations to the team. Thank you for
pushing things like this, for thinking differently.
Yes, I want this in Pharo 4 too, ASAP (especially since the main shortcut
is different from the old one, cmd+Enter vs. shift+Enter).
The presentation is again very well done too: excellent article, super
movie. You are putting the bar very high for the rest of us ;-)
A suggestion/idea: would it be possible to take the current selection
anywhere and feed it into Spotter ? That way there would be very good way
to make it replace all the other shortcuts: you would get implementers,
senders, references almost for free.
Sven
10:35 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Doru,
One of the things/aspects that I miss a bit is the 'objects' part. In your overall
description/presentation you talk about 'objects', but right now I would say it
are mainly 'code objects' like classes & methods and friends, and some IDE
artefacts, like menus.
What about arbitrary (user) objects ?
Literal constants, like 123, 'some string' ?
Globals like the Transcript ?
Singletons accessible by class side accessors, like announcers ?
An evaluation functionality, just type an expression ?
Examples ?
The clipboard (contents), open windows, processes, ...
Anyway, I am sure you get the idea ;-)
Sven
On 07 Dec 2014, at 19:07, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Sven,
Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, having the current selection is one of the things we
should keep in mind. For that we need to go to the next step and integrate the interface
in the overall environment. This will certainly come.
Cheers,
Doru
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote:
On 07 Dec 2014, at 14:14, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the Glamorous
Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
Excellent work, all around. Congratulations to the team. Thank you for pushing things
like this, for thinking differently.
Yes, I want this in Pharo 4 too, ASAP (especially since the main shortcut is different
from the old one, cmd+Enter vs. shift+Enter).
The presentation is again very well done too: excellent article, super movie. You are
putting the bar very high for the rest of us ;-)
A suggestion/idea: would it be possible to take the current selection anywhere and feed
it into Spotter ? That way there would be very good way to make it replace all the other
shortcuts: you would get implementers, senders, references almost for free.
Sven
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
10:49 p.m.
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Hi Sven,
Exactly! :)
To be relevant, we had to show how it solves existing use cases (plus a bit
more :)). Next we will focus on objects that are less "code". The hard part
of actually getting the interface smooth and performant was kind of done.
It's play time now :).
As I noted in the post, we already have some 30 extensions for handling
these cases. This was actually easy. The menu is an example of how we used
this concept to approach a problem that is classically dealt with in a
completely different way.
There are a couple of things we did not show yet. For example, we already
have a simple implementation of how to make a Moose model completely
browseable through this interface.
But, as with the inspector, the coolest thing is that if someone has a
specific need, it is even simpler than with the inspector to hook that need
in the system and make it searchable. Your list is definitely exciting, and
I am hoping that people will start playing a bit and discover things we
otherwise would not consider. It should be easier than with the inspector
(because there are less things to specify, hence less variation).
And wait to see what happens when we start to combine this interface with
others. For example, the interesting thing about being able to search a
menu is that you can actually open any menu with a spotter, which
essentially has the potential of changing the way we deal with contextual
actions (all through keybindings without shortcuts). I am quite sure we are
just scratching the surface of what is possible.
So, let's play together :).
Cheers,
Doru
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote:
Doru,
One of the things/aspects that I miss a bit is the 'objects' part. In your
overall description/presentation you talk about 'objects', but right now I
would say it are mainly 'code objects' like classes & methods and friends,
and some IDE artefacts, like menus.
What about arbitrary (user) objects ?
Literal constants, like 123, 'some string' ?
Globals like the Transcript ?
Singletons accessible by class side accessors, like announcers ?
An evaluation functionality, just type an expression ?
Examples ?
The clipboard (contents), open windows, processes, ...
Anyway, I am sure you get the idea ;-)
Sven
pushing
things like this, for thinking differently.
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On 07 Dec 2014, at 19:07, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Sven,
Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, having the current selection is one
of the
things we should keep in mind. For that we need to go to the next
step and integrate the interface in the overall environment. This will
certainly come.
Cheers,
Doru
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>
wrote:
> On 07 Dec 2014, at 14:14, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
>
> Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to
the
Glamorous Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
Excellent work, all around. Congratulations to the team. Thank you for
Yes, I want this in Pharo 4 too, ASAP (especially since the main
shortcut is
different from the old one, cmd+Enter vs. shift+Enter).
The presentation is again very well done too: excellent article, super
movie. You
are putting the bar very high for the rest of us ;-)
A suggestion/idea: would it be possible to take the current selection
anywhere and
feed it into Spotter ? That way there would be very good way
to make it replace all the other shortcuts: you would get implementers,
senders, references almost for free.
Sven
--
www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
19 Sep
19 Sep
4:09 p.m.
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
How did your explorations go in this area? Anything we can play with?!
-----
Cheers,
Sean
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What about
arbitrary (user) objects ?
Literal constants, like 123, 'some string' ?
Globals like the Transcript ?
Singletons accessible by class side accessors, like announcers ?
An evaluation functionality, just type an expression ?
Examples ?
The clipboard (contents), open windows, processes, ...
Next we will focus on
objects that are less "code"
4:22 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hi,
On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Sean P. DeNigris
<sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote:
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
How did your explorations go in this area? Anything we can play with?!
What do you mean?
In the Moose image there are now 164 extensions for Spotter for 57 different classes, and
most of these are not directly code related.
Doru
What
about arbitrary (user) objects ?
Literal constants, like 123, 'some string' ?
Globals like the Transcript ?
Singletons accessible by class side accessors, like announcers ?
An evaluation functionality, just type an expression ?
Examples ?
The clipboard (contents), open windows, processes, ...
Next we will focus on
objects that are less "code"
-----
Cheers,
Sean
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20 Sep
4:32 a.m.
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
In the Moose image there are now 164 extensions for
Spotter for 57
different classes, and most of these are not directly code related.
Ah, okay I'll take a look. Anywhere in particular to start? Is there a way
to differentiate object vs. class extensions?
-----
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Sean
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9:51 a.m.
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Take a look here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter/
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/discovering-and-managing-spotter-exte…
Doru
On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Sean P. DeNigris
<sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote:
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
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In the Moose image there are now 164 extensions
for Spotter for 57
different classes, and most of these are not directly code related.
Ah, okay I'll take a look. Anywhere in particular to start? Is there a way
to differentiate object vs. class extensions?
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Sean
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New subject: [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hello Doru
Is the gtspotter included in Pharo 6.0/6.1 the same as the one in the
Moose image?
--Hannes
On 9/20/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Take a look here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter/
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/discovering-and-managing-spotter-exte…
Doru
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
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In the Moose image there are now 164 extensions
for Spotter for 57
different classes, and most of these are not directly code related.
Ah, okay I'll take a look. Anywhere in particular to start? Is there a way
to differentiate object vs. class extensions?
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New subject: [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Or asked differently: do I need to load an update into Pharo 6.0/6.1
to get the full experience of what you describe in
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter/
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/discovering-and-managing-spotter-exte…
HH
On 9/20/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Doru
Is the gtspotter included in Pharo 6.0/6.1 the same as the one in the
Moose image?
--Hannes
On 9/20/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Take a look here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter/
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/discovering-and-managing-spotter-exte…
Doru
On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Sean P. DeNigris
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
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In the Moose image there are now 164 extensions
for Spotter for 57
different classes, and most of these are not directly code related.
Ah, okay I'll take a look. Anywhere in particular to start? Is there a
way
to differentiate object vs. class extensions?
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Sean
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
Thanks! MC committing as a Spotter search is coooool :)
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New subject: [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
Take a look here...
I was surprised that I didn't see an extension for Pharo's <script>, so I
played around with one. If you find it generally useful, where should I
submit it? I made it as an extension method of GTSpotter in
GT-SpotterExtensions-Core.
spotterScriptsFor: aStep
<spotterOrder: 29>
^ aStep listProcessor
title: 'Run script';
allCandidates: [ (PragmaCollector filter: [ :e | e keyword = #script ])
reset; collected ];
itemName: [ :p | p methodSelector ];
filter: GTFilterSubstring;
actLogic: [ :p :step |
p methodClass soleInstance perform: p methodSelector.
step exit. ]
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Sean P. DeNigris wrote
If you find it generally useful, where should I
submit it? I made it as an extension method of GTSpotter in
GT-SpotterExtensions-Core.
Bump. Should I submit a patch?
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8 Dec
10:43 a.m.
New subject: [Pharo-users] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hi Doru and all,
Great work. All these tools are really moving the development experience a step forward
:)
I will try it ASAP.
At this time, I just wonder if it is possible to search text in method sources. It is
often useful.
Another related thing I don't know how to do, is to refactor a set of methods (could
be some methods to 20 or more). In these methods, I send a specific message. Now, I just
want to remove the message implementation (it is not a rename) and I have to update the
code accordingly. Sometimes, I could do that by just a search/replace (text) functionality
(would be cool to use patterns there) in methods source code but I cannot find a way do
that for now. So I do it by hand.
I wonder if it already exists a way to do that or if GTSpotter could address this issue.
Christophe.
Le 7 déc. 2014 à 14:14, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the Glamorous
Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
GTSpotter has two goals:
- Provide a uniform yet moldable interface that can work on any object, and
- Handle searching through arbitrary levels of object nesting.
We think this will have a significant impact on the development workflow in Pharo.
Here is a couple of screenshots:
<gtspotter-packages-classes.png> <gtspotter-dive-class-method-sender.png>
<gtspotter-playground.png>
A trailer is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSmjR3NOlU
A detailed description is available here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter
It works already in Pharo 3.0 and can be played with by following the instructions from:
http://gt.moosetechnology.org
Please let us know what you think.
Enjoy,
The Glamorous Team
10:57 a.m.
New subject: [Pharo-users] [ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects
Hi Christophe,
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Christophe Demarey <
Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote:
Hi Doru and all,
Great work. All these tools are really moving the development experience a
step forward :)
I will try it ASAP.
At this time, I just wonder if it is possible to search text in method
sources. It is often useful.
It's not done now, but you can just add it. It should probably take you a
couple of minutes :). Just try to follow the instructions from the end of
the post and let us know how it goes.
Another related thing I don't know how to do, is
to refactor a set of
methods (could be some methods to 20 or more). In these methods, I send a
specific message. Now, I just want to remove the message implementation (it
is not a rename) and I have to update the code accordingly. Sometimes, I
could do that by just a search/replace (text) functionality (would be cool
to use patterns there) in methods source code but I cannot find a way do
that for now. So I do it by hand.
I wonder if it already exists a way to do that or if GTSpotter could
address this issue.
I think this is out of the direct realm of GTSpotter. But, it would be an
interesting area nevertheless. We would likely be able to benefit from
combining somehow RB rules with spotter.
Cheers,
Doru
Christophe.
Le 7 déc. 2014 à 14:14, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the
Glamorous Toolkit:
GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.
GTSpotter has two goals:
- Provide a uniform yet moldable interface that can work on any object, and
- Handle searching through arbitrary levels of object nesting.
We think this will have a significant impact on the development workflow
in Pharo.
Here is a couple of screenshots:
<gtspotter-packages-classes.png> <gtspotter-dive-class-method-sender.png>
<gtspotter-playground.png>
A trailer is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSmjR3NOlU
A detailed description is available here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter
It works already in Pharo 3.0 and can be played with by following the
instructions from:
http://gt.moosetechnology.org
Please let us know what you think.
Enjoy,
The Glamorous Team
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