Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre
Indeed. I noticed this, too.
But, I do not know what to do about it.
Just to avoid going in the tool issue again. Could you reproduce this problem on a plain Pharo3 + Roassal image? Then we can announce the image on the Pharo mailing list and see if we can get help.
Cheers, Doru
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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I see what you mean, but Spec is not the solution for all these issues. Sometimes you need labels on nodes or edges and these suffer from the same font issues :-(
On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Yes, that’s why I’ve wrote that labels are important anyway.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:57, Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
I see what you mean, but Spec is not the solution for all these issues. Sometimes you need labels on nodes or edges and these suffer from the same font issues :-(
On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
Alexandre
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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On 07 Jul 2014, at 15:09, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
Yes, I know. I’m just pushing towards rich infrastructure. I think I’ll try to do something similar in spec, and let you know if it will work.
Uko
Alexandre
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Ok
Alexandre
On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
On 07 Jul 2014, at 15:09, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
Yes, I know. I’m just pushing towards rich infrastructure. I think I’ll try to do something similar in spec, and let you know if it will work.
Uko
Alexandre
Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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No, the one that you’ve added to your email. I want to try to recreate it with spec widgets.
Uko
On 08 Jul 2014, at 17:33, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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You can have a look at RTMenuBuilder. The example I’ve sent in the email is part of a personal project.
Alexandre
On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
No, the one that you’ve added to your email. I want to try to recreate it with spec widgets.
Uko
On 08 Jul 2014, at 17:33, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Alexandre, would that work if we use two different FreeType fonts: one for Morphic, one for Roassal?
I remember Igor saying something about font caching problems.
Thierry
Le 08/07/2014 17:33, Alexandre Bergel a écrit :
Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
Alexandre
On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymchuk@me.com wrote:
Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
Uko
On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hi!
We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX: <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
do you think that it will solve your problem? I do not think so. I will just make the system more complex. You should not have a direct dependency to SDL else you will break the idea behind OS window. What will happen if the platform does not have SDL installed like my machine? The solution is to try to get a reproducible case else how can we try to fix when it does not happen on our machines and also to try to see if using a different fonts is actually resolving the problems.
Stef
Alex please pay attention that your end-users should not be impacted by the different libraries you will be using For example I doubt that synectique want to impose to its clients to install SDL2. So this would kill Roassal for us.
Stef
This is really a pity. This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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