On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: [cross-post to pharo-dev] On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to download it to either image or vm location ? Could improve first impressions ?

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Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.

> cheers -ben > > >> >> and put in the same place as your image. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on >>> Mac OS. >>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded >>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error >>> message: >>> >>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources. >>> >>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>> same directory as this image. >>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias." >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in >>>> Vietnamese :) >>>> Thanks for your quick reply. >>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open >>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel. >>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button, >>>> it shows the an error: >>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with: >>>> >>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code? >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of >>>>>>> code: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Xin chào Tien. >>>>>> Where are you located ? >>>>>> >>>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new. >>>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout. >>>>>>> view open. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> code and run? >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal. >>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ? >>>>>> >>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0: >>>>>> >>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>> view := RTMondrian new. >>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>> view layout dominanceTree. >>>>>> view open.

In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi, I do not think it is a good idea to silently download in headless mode. You often deploy apps in production in headless mode. Why would you want to download the sources?

I would rather see a default behavior not downloading the sources and a settings to allow automatic sources download.

You could pop up a dialog in ui mode to enable the feature the first time you see a missing sources file.

Christophe > Le 31 mai 2016 à 20:33, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> a écrit : > > Is it possible to do the silent download only in headless mode? This would add to the first impressions without reducing respossiveness. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 31/05/16 09:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources >> >> Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up. >> >>> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev] >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also. >>>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable >>>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here: >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/ >>>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of >>>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to >>>>> download it to either image or vm location ? Could improve first >>>>> impressions ? >>>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity. >>> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember >>> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently >>> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being >>> responsive? That would be bad :). An common Microsoft anti-pattern >>> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users" but instead give >>> them a sense of control. Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an >>> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable. >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> and put in the same place as your image. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on >>>>>>> Mac OS. >>>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded >>>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error >>>>>>> message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>>>>>> same directory as this image. >>>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in >>>>>>>> Vietnamese :) >>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply. >>>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open >>>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel. >>>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button, >>>>>>>> it shows the an error: >>>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>>>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of >>>>>>>>>>> code: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien. >>>>>>>>>> Where are you located ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new. >>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout. >>>>>>>>>>> view open. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> code and run? >>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal. >>>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view := RTMondrian new. >>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree. >>>>>>>>>> view open.

yes, it is a simple and good solution.