Hi, I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on Mac OS. In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error message: "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources. Please check that the file is named properly and is in the same directory as this image. Make sure the sources file is not an Alias." On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Thanks and Best Regards, Do Huu Tien (Mr.) Handphone No: (+32) (0) 484 77 62 32 Email: tiendh11986(a)gmail.com Y!M: beuforever Skype: do.huu.tien _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: [cross-post to pharo-dev] On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to download it to either image or vm location ? Could improve first impressions ?

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Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.

> cheers -ben > > >> >> and put in the same place as your image. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on >>> Mac OS. >>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded >>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error >>> message: >>> >>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources. >>> >>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>> same directory as this image. >>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias." >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in >>>> Vietnamese :) >>>> Thanks for your quick reply. >>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open >>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel. >>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button, >>>> it shows the an error: >>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with: >>>> >>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code? >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of >>>>>>> code: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Xin chào Tien. >>>>>> Where are you located ? >>>>>> >>>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new. >>>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout. >>>>>>> view open. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> code and run? >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal. >>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ? >>>>>> >>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0: >>>>>> >>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>> view := RTMondrian new. >>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>> view layout dominanceTree. >>>>>> view open.

In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi, I do not think it is a good idea to silently download in headless mode. You often deploy apps in production in headless mode. Why would you want to download the sources?

I would rather see a default behavior not downloading the sources and a settings to allow automatic sources download.

You could pop up a dialog in ui mode to enable the feature the first time you see a missing sources file.

Christophe > Le 31 mai 2016 à 20:33, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> a écrit : > > Is it possible to do the silent download only in headless mode? This would add to the first impressions without reducing respossiveness. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 31/05/16 09:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources >> >> Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up. >> >>> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev] >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also. >>>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable >>>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here: >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/ >>>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of >>>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to >>>>> download it to either image or vm location ? Could improve first >>>>> impressions ? >>>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity. >>> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember >>> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently >>> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being >>> responsive? That would be bad :). An common Microsoft anti-pattern >>> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users" but instead give >>> them a sense of control. Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an >>> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable. >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> and put in the same place as your image. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on >>>>>>> Mac OS. >>>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded >>>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error >>>>>>> message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>>>>>> same directory as this image. >>>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in >>>>>>>> Vietnamese :) >>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply. >>>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open >>>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel. >>>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button, >>>>>>>> it shows the an error: >>>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich >>>>>>>>> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <tiendh11986(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of >>>>>>>>>>> code: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien. >>>>>>>>>> Where are you located ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new. >>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout. >>>>>>>>>>> view open. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> code and run? >>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal. >>>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces | >>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view := RTMondrian new. >>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle >>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses; >>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods; >>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces. >>>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree. >>>>>>>>>> view open.

yes, it is a simple and good solution.