23 Mar
2010
23 Mar
'10
7:39 p.m.
Hi all,
I am happy to say that I recruited a student to do some work for me on AspectMaps. I am
sad to say that I want to tell him that he can get a Pharo+Moose image from
http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/ but I cant because 'Service Temporarily
Unavailable'. Any chance for pure happyness soon? Thanks in advance!
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23 Mar
23 Mar
6:48 p.m.
Hi Johan
Glad to hear that (I also would be glad to host a video of aspectmaps on the moose website
;))
Did you try to install Moose through Monticello? Is it really slow from Chile right now?
It could be faster now with Metacello/Gofer improvement.
An alternative way is to download the one-click beta5. Not the latest release, but recent
enough I think.
We never thought of the hudson server as a backup for ready-made moose, but why not.
Anyway, the problem with hudson is actually not related to moose or pharo but to java. I
don't know when it will be solved.
On 23 mars 2010, at 19:39, Johan Fabry wrote:
Hi all,
I am happy to say that I recruited a student to do some work for me on AspectMaps. I am
sad to say that I want to tell him that he can get a Pharo+Moose image from
http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/ but I cant because 'Service Temporarily
Unavailable'. Any chance for pure happyness soon? Thanks in advance!
--
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jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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8:08 p.m.
On 23 Mar 2010, at 13:48, Simon Denier wrote:
Hi Johan
Glad to hear that (I also would be glad to host a video of aspectmaps on the moose
website ;))
Ah right. I still need to do the big screencast with full explanation of everything. Right
now there is a small page online here: http://pleiad.cl/aspectmaps that has a small video
(youtube). Maybe the Moose page can refer to that?
Did you try to install Moose through Monticello? Is it
really slow from Chile right now? It could be faster now with Metacello/Gofer
improvement.
An alternative way is to download the one-click beta5. Not the latest release, but recent
enough I think.
We never thought of the hudson server as a backup for ready-made moose, but why not.
Anyway, the problem with hudson is actually not related to moose or pharo but to java. I
don't know when it will be solved.
In my experience the monticello way is very slow and an ugly process (copy-paste from
moose website and do-it ugh). Why not take advantage of prebuilt images if its there? With
hudson I can get the latest version of everything the next day. That one click experience
makes me happy ...
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PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
8:03 p.m.
Hi Johan,
I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org
is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read
to use image, then http://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably
a good starting point.
As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for
developing.
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 23 Mar 2010, at 14:39, Johan Fabry wrote:
Hi all,
I am happy to say that I recruited a student to do some work for me
on AspectMaps. I am sad to say that I want to tell him that he can
get a Pharo+Moose image from http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/ but
I cant because 'Service Temporarily Unavailable'. Any chance for
pure happyness soon? Thanks in advance!
--
Johan Fabry
jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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8:44 p.m.
There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not
count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any
problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as
well ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Hi Johan,
I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that
regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image,
thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point.
As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing.
Cheers,
Alexandre
--
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jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
8:01 p.m.
but johan if you use the nightly build you should complain that there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images but
right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
Stef
There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not
count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any
problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as
well ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Hi Johan,
I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that
regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image,
thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point.
As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing.
Cheers,
Alexandre
--
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jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
but johan if you use the nightly build you should
complain that there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server performs the same
procedure that we do to load the latest development version.
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images
but right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
Stef
--
Simon
There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not
count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any
problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as
well ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that
regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image,
thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point.
As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing.
Cheers,
Alexandre
--
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PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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9:27 p.m.
Hi,
Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great. And
I certainly appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest dev
image to provide feedback.
However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive. It
keeps on crashing on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some
daemontools-like process that spawns it back after a crash, but I have
problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(.
Cheers,
Doru
On 23 Mar 2010, at 21:23, Simon Denier wrote:
On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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"In a world where everything is moving ever faster,
one might have better chances to win by moving slower."
but johan if you use the nightly build you should
complain that
there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server
performs the same procedure that we do to load the latest
development version.
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to
certify and build images but right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
Stef
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There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download
I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not count, I want a
ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without
any problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build
image I would be happy as well ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi Johan,
I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org
is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a
read to use image, thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is
probably a good starting point.
As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for
developing.
Cheers,
Alexandre
--
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jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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9:48 p.m.
Hi Doru
You just need to create a script that greps to see if the process is there and not to
start it in the background with &. You then put the script in your crontab. All the
necessary environment variables need to be defined for the context of the script. You can
even just kill and start it at a non critical time of the day. It is not complicated.
The problem of crashing could be due lack of memory. Maybe you can start the process with
more memory.
Cheers,
Orla
On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great. And I certainly
appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest dev image to provide feedback.
However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive. It keeps on crashing
on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some daemontools-like process that spawns it back
after a crash, but I have problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(.
Cheers,
Doru
On 23 Mar 2010, at 21:23, Simon Denier wrote:
On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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www.tudorgirba.com
"In a world where everything is moving ever faster,
one might have better chances to win by moving slower."
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev but johan if you use the nightly build you should
complain that there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server performs the same
procedure that we do to load the latest development version.
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images
but right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
Stef
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There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not
count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any
problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as
well ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> Hi Johan,
>
> I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server that
regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image,
thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point.
> As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
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9:56 p.m.
amazing for just a simple software launching tasks.
Stef
On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:48 PM, Orla Greevy wrote:
Hi Doru
You just need to create a script that greps to see if the process is there and not to
start it in the background with &. You then put the script in your crontab. All the
necessary environment variables need to be defined for the context of the script. You can
even just kill and start it at a non critical time of the day. It is not complicated.
The problem of crashing could be due lack of memory. Maybe you can start the process
with more memory.
Cheers,
Orla
On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great. And I certainly
appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest dev image to provide feedback.
However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive. It keeps on crashing
on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some daemontools-like process that spawns it back
after a crash, but I have problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(.
Cheers,
Doru
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On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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"In a world where everything is moving ever faster,
one might have better chances to win by moving slower."
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev but johan if you use the nightly build you should
complain that there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server performs the same
procedure that we do to load the latest development version.
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images
but right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
Stef
>
> There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not
count, I want a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson without any
problems. Now if there is another way to get a nightly build image I would be happy as
well ...
>
> On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Hi Johan,
>>
>> I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org is a server
that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have a read to use image,
thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/download is probably a good starting point.
>> As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for developing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>
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11:32 p.m.
It would be great to have these scripts online somewhere... I guess
the seaside guys have a similar problem don't they?
Alexandre
On 23 Mar 2010, at 16:48, Orla Greevy wrote:
Hi Doru
You just need to create a script that greps to see if the process is
there and not to start it in the background with &. You then put
the script in your crontab. All the necessary environment variables
need to be defined for the context of the script. You can even just
kill and start it at a non critical time of the day. It is not
complicated.
The problem of crashing could be due lack of memory. Maybe you can
start the process with more memory.
Cheers,
Orla
On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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Hi,
Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great.
And I certainly appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest
dev image to provide feedback.
However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive.
It keeps on crashing on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some
daemontools-like process that spawns it back after a crash, but I
have problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(.
Cheers,
Doru
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On 23 mars 2010, at 20:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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"In a world where everything is moving ever faster,
one might have better chances to win by moving slower."
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev but johan if you use the nightly build you should
complain that
there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
Well technically I think there is no difference: the test server
performs the same procedure that we do to load the latest
development version.
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to
certify and build images but right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
Stef
>
> There is no 'latest version' image available on
http://www.moosetechnology.org/download
> I only see 4.0 beta 5 there. Monticello does not count, I want
> a ready to run nightly build image. I got that from hudson
> without any problems. Now if there is another way to get a
> nightly build image I would be happy as well ...
>
> On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:03, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Hi Johan,
>>
>> I am not sure to fully understand. http://hudson.moosetechnology.org
>> is a server that regularly runs the tests. If you want to have
>> a read to use image, thenhttp://www.moosetechnology.org/
>> download is probably a good starting point.
>> As Simon said, I recommend to always use the last version for
>> developing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>
> --
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> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of
> Chile
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10:37 p.m.
It would be great to have these scripts online
somewhere... I guess the
seaside guys have a similar problem don't they?
No, Pharo images usually don't crash. At least not that often as Hudson does :-)
Hudson crashes all the time on my server too. I use daemontools as
described in the Seaside book to keep it alive. There are various
daemon watchers available that can restart your services so fast that
you don't even notice they crashed. I guess that is standard procedure
for many web application servers today.
Lukas
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7:36 p.m.
Ok, thanks Lukas. I should have skimmed your book before sending the
email.
Alexandre
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It would be
great to have these scripts online somewhere... I guess
the
seaside guys have a similar problem don't they?
No, Pharo images usually don't crash. At least not that often as
Hudson does :-)
Hudson crashes all the time on my server too. I use daemontools as
described in the Seaside book to keep it alive. There are various
daemon watchers available that can restart your services so fast that
you don't even notice they crashed. I guess that is standard procedure
for many web application servers today.
Lukas
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10:46 p.m.
I have a server machine here that is available for you to run hudson on. (It's a mac
mini.) Currently it is only hosting http://dsal.cl so there is disk, RAM and CPU time to
spare. Plus the development images would be nicely close for Alex, Romain, my student and
me :-) Send me a personal mail if you are interested and we will set something up ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 16:27, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Using hudson for nightly build development images would be great. And I certainly
appreciate anyone that uses the latest and greatest dev image to provide feedback.
However, my problem is that I do not know how to keep hudson alive. It keeps on crashing
on my Ubuntu 8.04 server. I would need some daemontools-like process that spawns it back
after a crash, but I have problems installing that one, too. So, I am a bit stuck :(.
Cheers,
Doru
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jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
10:22 p.m.
Oh yes I know that nightly builds are dangerous. But what happens if I take the latest
Pharo image and then do a Monticello install? The same as a nightly build, no?
Independent from this, I am a developer and pushing others (Alex, Doru, ...) to implement
stuff/fix bugs, so I need the latest and greatest. And am prepared to complain when stuff
blows up (and I did). When I am developing stuff tightly linked to macos (hopefully never)
I will want to do the same ...
On 23 Mar 2010, at 15:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
but johan if you use the nightly build you should
complain that there are problems.
Would you use the nightly build of mac os?
I think that in the future there will be probably a server to certify and build images
but right now
nightly builds are adventurous.
--
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PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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