Hi,
I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
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I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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Excellent!
Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
Cheers, Doru
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On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
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Cheers, Doru
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Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
Yes. The VM should be available from: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture...
Igor, can you confirm this please?
Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
Cheers, Alexandre
On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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Hi,
On 27.08.2012, at 21:11, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
Yes. The VM should be available from: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture...
Igor, can you confirm this please?
This is just the VM. You still have to install Cairo, and this is not trivial for regular users. There was a plan to bundle Cairo with the VM. So, the question is if there is any progress in this area.
Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
Igor, is it really so that Athens does not support basic text rendering?
Cheers, Doru
Cheers, Alexandre
On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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On 27 August 2012 21:11, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
Yes. The VM should be available from: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture...
Igor, can you confirm this please?
No i can't. That VM does not includes cairo libs by default.
And while having matrix-builds is a plus, now it is really hard to have different settings per a target platform, because everything is dumped into a single bash script.. And that annoys me a lot. We can speak about it tomorrow (yes, i cced you guys on purpose ;)
Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
It behind the schedule. Frankly, i was planning having it weeks ago. But i was unable to deal with it in time.. So, all i can say it is one of my top priority tasks today.
Cheers, Alexandre
And while having matrix-builds is a plus, now it is really hard to have different settings per a target platform, because everything is dumped into a single bash script.. And that annoys me a lot. We can speak about it tomorrow (yes, i cced you guys on purpose ;)
Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
It behind the schedule. Frankly, i was planning having it weeks ago. But i was unable to deal with it in time.. So, all i can say it is one of my top priority tasks today.
Good. The crowd wants it :). And after we will integrate it in Morphic.
we need a text model that can be stream to rendering engines and support editing (and attributes).
Stef
Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
Yes. The VM should be available from: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture...
Igor, can you confirm this please?
Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
Cheers, Alexandre
On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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Already?! Excellent!
Stef
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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Roassal is made to support other platform :)
Igor's programming abilities are impressive. He is fast.
Alexandre
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote:
Already?! Excellent!
Stef
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
Cheers, Doru
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Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.
Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother.
What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. or should I just get a Mac?
No idea. Igor?
Cheers, Alexandre
Alexandre Bergel wrote:
A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
Alexandre
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On 28 August 2012 18:53, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.
Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother.
What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. or should I just get a Mac?
No idea. Igor?
No idea either. I have a plan. And i stick to it. No scheduling , sorry. I'm not that sort of a man. What i was trying to do the days after i came from vacation was doing everything work or all platforms (and MS Windows was #1 in that list).. But i didn't pushed it too far so far..
Because of different events like problems with our jenkins server or changes in VM/NB requiring my attention (and therefore time), and of course because i am too lazy to do it. But i work faster when i know that things i do is needed :) So thanks for a push.
Like today i managed to code a draft version of text rendering using Cairo. But the whole puzzle involves work on 4 things simultaneously: - VM, AsmJit, NB, Athens, Cairo.. and Jenkins .. and i need to cut some time for having fun (like hacking Pharo itself).
Heh, don't think that i am complaining.. I having fun here, but it takes time.
No stress Igor. You're doing an amazing job, really. I am delighted to have pair programmed with you.
We should continue!
Cheers, Alexandre
On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Igor Stasenko siguctua@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 August 2012 18:53, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.
Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother.
What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. or should I just get a Mac?
No idea. Igor?
No idea either. I have a plan. And i stick to it. No scheduling , sorry. I'm not that sort of a man. What i was trying to do the days after i came from vacation was doing everything work or all platforms (and MS Windows was #1 in that list).. But i didn't pushed it too far so far..
Because of different events like problems with our jenkins server or changes in VM/NB requiring my attention (and therefore time), and of course because i am too lazy to do it. But i work faster when i know that things i do is needed :) So thanks for a push.
Like today i managed to code a draft version of text rendering using Cairo. But the whole puzzle involves work on 4 things simultaneously:
- VM, AsmJit, NB, Athens, Cairo.. and Jenkins .. and i need to cut
some time for having fun (like hacking Pharo itself).
Heh, don't think that i am complaining.. I having fun here, but it takes time.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. or should I just get a Mac?
No idea. Igor?
Guys
I think that you do not understand what is athens. Athens is an object-oriented design for an abstract canvas and ways to interact with it.
This canvas will be instantiate with different backends. - since cairo works on windows the backend Cairo Athens works on Windows Now this is a question of packaging dll and others.
- Now if one day we have a cocoa core framework, the cocoa backend will not work on Windows.
Stef
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