Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity.
</randomThoughForTheDay>
cheers -ben
Hi Ben,
Chapter 16 "I Don´t Understand the Code Well Enough to Change It". Michael C. Feathers proposes sketching to understand the code better. Moose allows it to automatize and improve this manual work. But before a sketch can be drawn the code has to be analyzed. And a sketch has to be adapted if the code changes.
Moose allows to automatize this. You can generate diagrams automatically. My impression is, that I still needed an application on top of Moose to make smaller diagrams that describe a certain aspect of a coding. I needed some way to limit the number of elements displayed, specify their positions and add comments to them. I do this currently in a Smalltalk application I developed on top of Moose and Roassal. It is NOT only for SAP applications as might seem. The Github Repository that links to the Smalltalkhub page: https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram
I made a short video to show I am currently using Moose and this application to work with this kind of sketches. Even though it is an early version, I use it near to every day in my projects: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0BTdgDL6XSLeHB4aTZxTkdSNXc
Cheers,
Rainer
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Ben Coman" btc@openinworld.com An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:16 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity.
</randomThoughForTheDay>
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Sorry, I added the wrong link to the video : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0BTdgDL6XSLVU9aemtuaFVPT1U
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: rainer.winkler@poaceae.de An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:50 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Hi Ben,
Chapter 16 "I Don´t Understand the Code Well Enough to Change It". Michael C. Feathers proposes sketching to understand the code better. Moose allows it to automatize and improve this manual work. But before a sketch can be drawn the code has to be analyzed. And a sketch has to be adapted if the code changes.
Moose allows to automatize this. You can generate diagrams automatically. My impression is, that I still needed an application on top of Moose to make smaller diagrams that describe a certain aspect of a coding. I needed some way to limit the number of elements displayed, specify their positions and add comments to them. I do this currently in a Smalltalk application I developed on top of Moose and Roassal. It is NOT only for SAP applications as might seem. The Github Repository that links to the Smalltalkhub page: https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram
I made a short video to show I am currently using Moose and this application to work with this kind of sketches. Even though it is an early version, I use it near to every day in my projects: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0BTdgDL6XSLeHB4aTZxTkdSNXc
Cheers,
Rainer
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Ben Coman" btc@openinworld.com An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:16 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity.
</randomThoughForTheDay>
cheers -ben
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Cool, this one can be seen without any google account.
Thanks,
Offray
On 14/02/17 08:15, rainer.winkler@poaceae.de wrote:
Sorry, I added the wrong link to the video : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0BTdgDL6XSLVU9aemtuaFVPT1U
------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: rainer.winkler@poaceae.de <mailto:rainer.winkler@poaceae.de> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>> Datum: 02/14/17 13:50 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code Hi Ben, Chapter 16 "I Don´t Understand the Code Well Enough to Change It". Michael C. Feathers proposes sketching to understand the code better. Moose allows it to automatize and improve this manual work. But before a sketch can be drawn the code has to be analyzed. And a sketch has to be adapted if the code changes. Moose allows to automatize this. You can generate diagrams automatically. My impression is, that I still needed an application on top of Moose to make smaller diagrams that describe a certain aspect of a coding. I needed some way to limit the number of elements displayed, specify their positions and add comments to them. I do this currently in a Smalltalk application I developed on top of Moose and Roassal. It is NOT only for SAP applications as might seem. The Github Repository that links to the Smalltalkhub page: https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram I made a short video to show I am currently using Moose and this application to work with this kind of sketches. Even though it is an early version, I use it near to every day in my projects: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0BTdgDL6XSLeHB4aTZxTkdSNXc Cheers, Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Ben Coman" <btc@openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>> Datum: 02/14/17 13:16 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity. </randomThoughForTheDay> cheers -ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev
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Nice work! Is the SAP exporter available? I'm actually not familiar with programming SAP. I'm just a user of it, but with it maybe I could lead others in the company to try Pharo.
cheers -ben
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:15 PM, rainer.winkler@poaceae.de wrote:
Sorry, I added the wrong link to the video : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0BTdgDL6XSLVU9aemtuaFVPT1U
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: rainer.winkler@poaceae.de An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:50 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Hi Ben,
Chapter 16 "I Don´t Understand the Code Well Enough to Change It". Michael C. Feathers proposes sketching to understand the code better. Moose allows it to automatize and improve this manual work. But before a sketch can be drawn the code has to be analyzed. And a sketch has to be adapted if the code changes.
Moose allows to automatize this. You can generate diagrams automatically. My impression is, that I still needed an application on top of Moose to make smaller diagrams that describe a certain aspect of a coding. I needed some way to limit the number of elements displayed, specify their positions and add comments to them. I do this currently in a Smalltalk application I developed on top of Moose and Roassal. It is NOT only for SAP applications as might seem. The Github Repository that links to the Smalltalkhub page: https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram
I made a short video to show I am currently using Moose and this application to work with this kind of sketches. Even though it is an early version, I use it near to every day in my projects: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0BTdgDL6XSLeHB4aTZxTkdSNXc
Cheers,
Rainer
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Ben Coman" btc@openinworld.com An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:16 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity.
</randomThoughForTheDay>
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Hi Ben,
the SAP exporter is available. I did not add a link to prevent the misunderstanding that the other tool is specific for SAP.
You can download it from from https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-FAMIX-SAP-Extractor
It is not finished, please see the issues list. I am currently adapting the core logic to have better tests. This part of the work is currently not shared as the main development is done with global classes, and I do not yet use ABAPGit (https://github.com/larshp/abapGit) to share this. I will add more object types in the next weeks.
Cheers,
Rainer
PS: As I use both tools together, they have a tendency to become somehow connected. I am for instance currently mapping all SAP elements to FAMIX package, class, method and attribute. This makes the work in the other tool easier. I add modifiers if needed to specify.
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Von: "Ben Coman" btc@openinworld.com An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 15:12 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Nice work! Is the SAP exporter available? I'm actually not familiar with programming SAP. I'm just a user of it, but with it maybe I could lead others in the company to try Pharo.
cheers -ben
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:15 PM, rainer.winkler@poaceae.de wrote:
Sorry, I added the wrong link to the video : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0BTdgDL6XSLVU9aemtuaFVPT1U
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: rainer.winkler@poaceae.de An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:50 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Hi Ben,
Chapter 16 "I Don´t Understand the Code Well Enough to Change It". Michael C. Feathers proposes sketching to understand the code better. Moose allows it to automatize and improve this manual work. But before a sketch can be drawn the code has to be analyzed. And a sketch has to be adapted if the code changes.
Moose allows to automatize this. You can generate diagrams automatically. My impression is, that I still needed an application on top of Moose to make smaller diagrams that describe a certain aspect of a coding. I needed some way to limit the number of elements displayed, specify their positions and add comments to them. I do this currently in a Smalltalk application I developed on top of Moose and Roassal. It is NOT only for SAP applications as might seem. The Github Repository that links to the Smalltalkhub page: https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram
I made a short video to show I am currently using Moose and this application to work with this kind of sketches. Even though it is an early version, I use it near to every day in my projects: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0BTdgDL6XSLeHB4aTZxTkdSNXc
Cheers,
Rainer
-----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Ben Coman" btc@openinworld.com An: "Moose-related development" moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch Datum: 02/14/17 13:16 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code
Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity.
</randomThoughForTheDay>
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Thanks Reiner,
When I click the link, I'm asked to choose a Google account. There is any way to see the video without a Google account? (some of us still think that Big Brother Marketing (TM ;-) ) is undesirable).
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/17 07:50, rainer.winkler@poaceae.de wrote:
Hi Ben,
Chapter 16 "I Don´t Understand the Code Well Enough to Change It". Michael C. Feathers proposes sketching to understand the code better. Moose allows it to automatize and improve this manual work. But before a sketch can be drawn the code has to be analyzed. And a sketch has to be adapted if the code changes.
Moose allows to automatize this. You can generate diagrams automatically. My impression is, that I still needed an application on top of Moose to make smaller diagrams that describe a certain aspect of a coding. I needed some way to limit the number of elements displayed, specify their positions and add comments to them. I do this currently in a Smalltalk application I developed on top of Moose and Roassal. It is NOT only for SAP applications as might seem. The Github Repository that links to the Smalltalkhub page: https://github.com/RainerWinkler/Moose-Diagram
I made a short video to show I am currently using Moose and this application to work with this kind of sketches. Even though it is an early version, I use it near to every day in my projects: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0BTdgDL6XSLeHB4aTZxTkdSNXc
Cheers,
Rainer
------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: "Ben Coman" <btc@openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>> Datum: 02/14/17 13:16 Betreff: [Moose-dev] Book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code Interesting to see this is the top mentioned book on stackoverflow. I wonder if Moose can facilitate any of its contained topics and maybe leverage its popularity. </randomThoughForTheDay> cheers -ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev
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