Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
Cheers, Doru
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Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
- http://www.publisuisse.ch/index.cfm?event=showfree_publispot_index
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
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Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:24:56 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Yes Adrian, this one is not bad, almost the same as
start the "Video News", this is their low-res. You can see their high-res by pushing the "enlarge" button (gets you a new web page); there you can also right-click the player for full-screen.
I've seen that data transferred roughly doubled between spiegel's low-res and hi-res. Also note that their full-screen mode doesn't add anything except fresh new void between their pixels ;-)
All in all, not bad. But is it sufficient when you want people to read some text from, say, a denser IDE screen. Example: in the FLV player page there's a clip with a car, I couldn't read what's on the car's plate.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
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Hi Klaus,
Is the player from spiegel.de available?
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:24:56 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Yes Adrian, this one is not bad, almost the same as
start the "Video News", this is their low-res. You can see their high-res by pushing the "enlarge" button (gets you a new web page); there you can also right-click the player for full-screen.
I've seen that data transferred roughly doubled between spiegel's low-res and hi-res. Also note that their full-screen mode doesn't add anything except fresh new void between their pixels ;-)
All in all, not bad. But is it sufficient when you want people to read some text from, say, a denser IDE screen. Example: in the FLV player page there's a clip with a car, I couldn't read what's on the car's plate.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:24:16 +0100, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Klaus,
Is the player from spiegel.de available?
Hi Doru,
you can find it here,
- http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflash/
It's proprietary (as usual) but because of YouTube etc the most popular player. Most browser distros (except, as usual, MS/IE) automatically install that player.
Here's some background,
- http://www.google.com/search?q=how-to+video+swf+player
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:24:56 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Yes Adrian, this one is not bad, almost the same as
start the "Video News", this is their low-res. You can see their high-res by pushing the "enlarge" button (gets you a new web page); there you can also right-click the player for full-screen.
I've seen that data transferred roughly doubled between spiegel's low-res and hi-res. Also note that their full-screen mode doesn't add anything except fresh new void between their pixels ;-)
All in all, not bad. But is it sufficient when you want people to read some text from, say, a denser IDE screen. Example: in the FLV player page there's a clip with a car, I couldn't read what's on the car's plate.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
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Hi Klaus,
I know that Flash is supported in browsers, but as far as I know we would still need a player that handles the flv file with buttons like play and forward.
Or did I get something wrong?
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:24:16 +0100, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Klaus,
Is the player from spiegel.de available?
Hi Doru,
you can find it here,
It's proprietary (as usual) but because of YouTube etc the most popular player. Most browser distros (except, as usual, MS/IE) automatically install that player.
Here's some background,
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:24:56 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Yes Adrian, this one is not bad, almost the same as
start the "Video News", this is their low-res. You can see their high-res by pushing the "enlarge" button (gets you a new web page); there you can also right-click the player for full-screen.
I've seen that data transferred roughly doubled between spiegel's low-res and hi-res. Also note that their full-screen mode doesn't add anything except fresh new void between their pixels ;-)
All in all, not bad. But is it sufficient when you want people to read some text from, say, a denser IDE screen. Example: in the FLV player page there's a clip with a car, I couldn't read what's on the car's plate.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high resolution movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with higher resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
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Hi Doru,
on Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:33:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi Klaus,
I know that Flash is supported in browsers, but as far as I know we would still need a player that handles the flv file with buttons like play and forward.
No, .flv is just a file format, delivered through Flash player, see
- http://livedocs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/8/using/18_medi3.htm - http://livedocs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/8/using/18_med20.htm#162438
and also "view source" on http://www.spiegel.de/video/ there's just the Flash player.
Or did I get something wrong?
You put the buttons into your flash object at the time you create the flash contents. You're right, I also am under the expression that something may be wrong. This reminds me of Real player's time when people sold "players" who just invoked Real's plugin and passed it some parameters for which playback button to show (Real player indeed needs complicated HTML for video-control +more for button-control) ... Perhaps they nowadays do so (sell "players") such that one doesn't need a Dreamweaver license for content creation, I don't know. I'm not familiar with "products" for which no commercial license was payed.
To make it clear: neither on my husband's SuSE 10.x (linux) PC nor on my MS$ XP work notebook, both with Opera and Firefox, have I ever downloaded or installed anything else than Flash x.y.z. player (and played the videos mentioned by Adrian, in Opera, just fine). And my MS/IE even does not know about .swf (so one backdor less for viruses), nothing installed here as well (which could be picked up by other browsers behind my back).
Sorry for no better news.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:24:16 +0100, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Klaus,
Is the player from spiegel.de available?
Hi Doru,
you can find it here,
It's proprietary (as usual) but because of YouTube etc the most popular player. Most browser distros (except, as usual, MS/IE) automatically install that player.
Here's some background,
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:24:56 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Yes Adrian, this one is not bad, almost the same as
start the "Video News", this is their low-res. You can see their high-res by pushing the "enlarge" button (gets you a new web page); there you can also right-click the player for full-screen.
I've seen that data transferred roughly doubled between spiegel's low-res and hi-res. Also note that their full-screen mode doesn't add anything except fresh new void between their pixels ;-)
All in all, not bad. But is it sufficient when you want people to read some text from, say, a denser IDE screen. Example: in the FLV player page there's a clip with a car, I couldn't read what's on the car's plate.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote:
> Hi, > > Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high > resolution > movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with > higher > resolution.
I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet resolution in Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs Real player)
It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), one is Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took *months* for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have just about 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards for a 10 seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, even not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above.
I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and acceptable solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm afraid my team (incl. the customer) don't know about such.
Cheers Klaus
> Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.tudorgirba.com/blog > > "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get." > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Hi Doru,
YouTube's getting better :)
- http://cybernetnews.com/2008/02/29/watch-high-resolution-youtube-videos/
Cheers Klaus
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:11:23 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi Doru,
on Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:33:29 +0100, you wrote:
Hi Klaus,
I know that Flash is supported in browsers, but as far as I know we would still need a player that handles the flv file with buttons like play and forward.
No, .flv is just a file format, delivered through Flash player, see
- http://livedocs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/8/using/18_medi3.htm
- http://livedocs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/8/using/18_med20.htm#162438
and also "view source" on http://www.spiegel.de/video/ there's just the Flash player.
Or did I get something wrong?
You put the buttons into your flash object at the time you create the flash contents. You're right, I also am under the expression that something may be wrong. This reminds me of Real player's time when people sold "players" who just invoked Real's plugin and passed it some parameters for which playback button to show (Real player indeed needs complicated HTML for video-control +more for button-control) ... Perhaps they nowadays do so (sell "players") such that one doesn't need a Dreamweaver license for content creation, I don't know. I'm not familiar with "products" for which no commercial license was payed.
To make it clear: neither on my husband's SuSE 10.x (linux) PC nor on my MS$ XP work notebook, both with Opera and Firefox, have I ever downloaded or installed anything else than Flash x.y.z. player (and played the videos mentioned by Adrian, in Opera, just fine). And my MS/IE even does not know about .swf (so one backdor less for viruses), nothing installed here as well (which could be picked up by other browsers behind my back).
Sorry for no better news.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:24:16 +0100, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Klaus,
Is the player from spiegel.de available?
Hi Doru,
you can find it here,
It's proprietary (as usual) but because of YouTube etc the most popular player. Most browser distros (except, as usual, MS/IE) automatically install that player.
Here's some background,
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Doru
On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:24:56 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Doru,
For cmsbox we use FLV movies with the following player: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player For an example, see the movie on the start page of www.cmsbox.com.
Yes Adrian, this one is not bad, almost the same as
start the "Video News", this is their low-res. You can see their high-res by pushing the "enlarge" button (gets you a new web page); there you can also right-click the player for full-screen.
I've seen that data transferred roughly doubled between spiegel's low-res and hi-res. Also note that their full-screen mode doesn't add anything except fresh new void between their pixels ;-)
All in all, not bad. But is it sufficient when you want people to read some text from, say, a denser IDE screen. Example: in the FLV player page there's a clip with a car, I couldn't read what's on the car's plate.
Cheers Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 13, 2008, at 15:12 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
> Hi Doru, > > on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:29 +0100, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone here knows a good solution for embedding high >> resolution >> movies in a webpage? Perhaps something like YouTube, but with >> higher >> resolution. > > I did a (very large) project for highest-possible-Internet > resolution in > Bern, you can see the lowest-acceptable resolution here (needs > Real > player) > > - > http://www.publisuisse.ch/index.cfm?event=showfree_publispot_index > > It has variants for two higher resolutions (for subscribed users), > one is > Sony's "beyond Real". The > 71'000 spots you can see there took > *months* > for conversion on a dedicated server, even so most of them have > just > about > 10 to 30 seconds (and the good quality ones take from 5MB onwards > for a 10 > seconds spot). That's something I do not recommend for casual use, > even > not for the lowest-acceptable resolution above. > > I promise I would tell if there where other reliable and > acceptable > solutions, somewhere in between the above and YouTube's, but I'm > afraid my > team (incl. the customer) don't know about such. > > Cheers > Klaus > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.tudorgirba.com/blog >> >> "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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