24 Oct
2011
24 Oct
'11
10:47 p.m.
Hi Doru,
Thank you for your answer... It's too bad we don't have these figures...
What do you say about creating a list of projects that could be used to
create such a baseline. I don't really have a precise idea about the number
of projects that we might need to compute this thing ... but I think
starting such a list might be a good idea. And then based on that we can
eventually try to get the results.
In the Book: Object-oriented Metrics in
Practice<http://www.moosetechnology.org/docs/publications/oomip>
the authors used 45 java and 37 c++ systems to get these numbers ... so I
think we have to find at least 30 projects maybe.
I am not promising anything but maybe I will find some time over the next
few weeks that I can dedicate to doing this.
What do you guys say?
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
We do not have those thresholds for Smalltalk, yet. It would be interesting
to get them, though. We only need someone to do it :)
Cheers,
Doru
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Thanks for your prompt answer.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel <
alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
wrote:
No idea about the threshold. I find system
complexity and class blueprint
quite useful to get a first impression of a system.
I then usually visualize
the dependencies.
If I really want to understand the system, then
writing unit tests will
do the thing.
I completely agree with you on these points...
but from my point of view I think that the overviewpyramid can be a very
good
visualisation
to quickly present your system's complexity
to others... especially
during a presentation...
and then you can freely dive into more detailed
aspect with the system
complexity and
class blueprint - to show specific points.
However, without a
statistically significant smalltalk baseline (the threshold)
the pyramid doesn't convey much information
especially to an external
viewer...
so my point is, since we have the java and c++ cases, why not get some
smalltalk
(or maybe pharo-specific)
numbers also - especially since Moose is
implemented in smalltalk.
regards,
ciprian
Alexandre
On 24 Oct 2011, at 16:06, Ciprian Teodorov wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to using moose for analyzing a rather large smalltalk project
developed during the last 16-17 years.
> I hope that using Moose framework will give
positive insights on the
hot-spots of the system in order to improve its structure,
and make it more
maintainable.
> The project name is Madeo
(http://stiff.univ-brest.fr/BINIOU/MADEO) a
FPGA design-automation toolkit
developed mainly by one of my PhD supervisors
(Loic Lagadec).
>
> To start the evaluation I believe that the overview pyramid is a very
good
starting point in order to get a generic idea about the system.
> However, I was not able to find any
smalltalk threshold values in the
moose image.
>
> So my question is if there is somebody having some idea about the
> smalltalk threshold values for the OverviewPyramid.
>
> If yes, could you provide me these figures, and eventually point me to
a
scientific paper presenting these results.
> If not, I'm willing to try to get these
figures myself... however I
don't really know which smalltalk projects I could
use to get good results.
Thank you very much for your attention.
Best wishes,
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