On 24 Oct 2011, at 22:03, Ciprian Teodorov wrote:
> Thanks for your prompt answer.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel <
alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
> No idea about the threshold. I find system complexity and class blueprint quite useful to get a first impression of a system. I then usually visualize the dependencies.
> If I really want to understand the system, then writing unit tests will do the thing.
>
> I completely agree with you on these points...
> but from my point of view I think that the overviewpyramid can be a very good visualisation
> to quickly present your system's complexity to others... especially during a presentation...
> and then you can freely dive into more detailed aspect with the system complexity and
> class blueprint - to show specific points. However, without a statistically significant smalltalk baseline (the threshold)
> the pyramid doesn't convey much information especially to an external viewer...
>
> so my point is, since we have the java and c++ cases, why not get some smalltalk (or maybe pharo-specific)
> numbers also - especially since Moose is implemented in smalltalk.
>
> regards,
> ciprian
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 24 Oct 2011, at 16:06, Ciprian Teodorov wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to using moose for analyzing a rather large smalltalk project developed during the last 16-17 years.
> > I hope that using Moose framework will give positive insights on the hot-spots of the system in order to improve its structure, and make it more maintainable.
> > The project name is Madeo (
http://stiff.univ-brest.fr/BINIOU/MADEO) a FPGA design-automation toolkit developed mainly by one of my PhD supervisors (Loic Lagadec).
> >
> > To start the evaluation I believe that the overview pyramid is a very good starting point in order to get a generic idea about the system.
> > However, I was not able to find any smalltalk threshold values in the moose image.
> >
> > So my question is if there is somebody having some idea about the
> > smalltalk threshold values for the OverviewPyramid.
> >
> > If yes, could you provide me these figures, and eventually point me to a scientific paper presenting these results.
> > If not, I'm willing to try to get these figures myself... however I don't really know which smalltalk projects I could use to get good results.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your attention.
> >
> > Best wishes,
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