27 Mar
2014
27 Mar
'14
4:01 p.m.
On 27 Mar 2014, at 11:20, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
I do not agree with this. As soon as one makes a
difference between newbies and power users, then something is wrong. My mother can fully
use an iphone, as I do. Both of us find the iphone well designed.
iphone and system programming are two different areas of interaction and requires
different complexities. Not always the elegancy of one design in one area is directly
transferrable to other(s).
Just as an example, when you are new to a system you want as much help as you can find,
same help that becomes annoying as soon as you are experienced enough to handle the
complexity by your self.
And like that I can find a lot of other examples.
I realize I am here complaining without offering much help. This is just to say that some
of my students are directly using Pharo (and not Moose), and the first thing we do is
deactivating the automatic auto-completion.
oh well… agreeing or disagreeing in this area is allowed, of course :)
but since is very subjective, it will not produce a direct change, I’m afraid. I can tell
you my own personal experience with my students (when I had them) which is opposite to
yours…
Honestly, UX is a complicated area not studied enough (at least for me)… and any change
will satisfy ones and dissatisfy others.
Esteban
Alexandre
On Mar 27, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well, as always we think more on the newbies than
power users (because power users can always change a setting and add a startup script for
having their on setup automated). And is our understanding that newbies prefer to have the
autocompletion there by default (not just them, but them for sure).
As Yuri says, most of the modern IDEs have it by default.
Now, autocomplete (as everything) can be better… but I think it needs to be there.
Esteban
On 27 Mar 2014, at 10:55, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev But, are you not always pressing Esc to remove
the popup window?
It does not make much sense to have the completion when I have comment in plain english
or when I write a number.
I have not made a statistic, but with all the keystrokes I am doing in Pharo, only a few
of them deserve to have an auto-completion.
Alexandre
On Mar 27, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
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on. I think it’s a matter of taste.
Uko
On 27 Mar 2014, at 00:03, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
> I am really surprise to see the automatic completion has not been changed in the
standard Pharo.
> Autocompletion should be on demand, and not always on.
>
> Alexandre
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> Le 26-03-2014 à 17:26, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> a écrit :
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>> No. It's just that we disabled the automatic triggering. You can trigger it
with TAB. You can also set the preference back from the settings browser.
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>> Doru
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>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>
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>> Hi guys.
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>> Is autocomplete (suggestions) broken in Moose now?
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