19 Feb
2013
19 Feb
'13
9:51 a.m.
Hi Nicolas,
Thank you very much for your kind welcome. Although it should be very easy,
I'm still not sure how to get the moose image (I downloaded it) into pharo.
should something like:
$ pharo moose.image
... work? Or:
$ pharo -vm moose.image
... ?
I can't find pharo's command line options, although I read the faq and
googled a lot. How do I tell it to load the image?
Then, how can I 'test' that effectively moose elements are available and
ready to be run?
From within pharo, I can't find any 'load
image' option.
My interest in moose is great. I'm a 25+ years systems programmer, and I
have systems written in various languages. I'm sick of duplicated code. I'm
tired of lost code because I have to switch the programming language of
choice for whatever reason. I want to get real code reengineering into my
set of tools, and I came across moose, which as far as I could find out,
offers a lot of metrics tools, and also code abstraction, provided you have
the proper parsers for your language, and re-write tools in order to really
use old but perfectly valid code (which of course can be improved, but
starting from a non-nil starting point, or having to reprogram things by
hand).
I'm doing some of my codebase parsing in python, for convinience reasons,
but I can write the same in smalltalk and MSE if I found out that
correctly.
I've seen that not many people know here about moose, and except a man in
my Linux User Group years ago, I've never seen anyone really into smalltak,
nor in my university whatsoever. I get annoyed at the lack of attention
that things like moose get in my ecosystem/country/zone. So, that's why I'm
trying to get ahead and try something new and thoughtful. I'll report back
as long as I can 'moose' my codebase and transform it into new languages,
which why not, one of them could be smalltalk. I've been in many many
different languages before, as you might guess. Maybe the most similar
thing to smalltalk that I've seen is common lisp, because of it being a
standard, and a live system with a REPL, and with the CLOS. But I've seen
nothing like moose in the common lisp world.
The software systems that I've wrote for a living, are small-business
operations-support, mainly for drugstores/pharmacies in Uruguay. Other
systems add up, like CV analysis tools for recruiting, etc.
hope that conveys pretty much a part of me and my work.
best wishes
Haroldo
2013/2/19 Nicolas Anquetil <Nicolas.Anquetil(a)inria.fr>
Hi Haroldo,
welcome to the mailling list and the Moose world.
The simplest way to get Moose would be to download it pre-loaded in an
image.
You can do this from http://www.moosetechnology.org/, there is a button
to get the latest image.
I you feel like it, later, you could drop a note to say what you were
looking for moose in the first place and how you feel about it.
It's always nice to have impressions from new members
thanks, cheers.
nicolas
On 02/19/2013 07:07 AM, Haroldo Stenger wrote:
hi!
I'm totally new to smalltalk, although I've heard of it since a lot of
time ago.
In my arch linux installation, I've found some dificulties running
squeak, so I went into pharo once I've discovered they are two free
implementations of smalltalk.
Then I wondered myself, How can I do now to put moose into here ? And
then I saw that by selecting the proper text in one of the default windows
that pharo opens for me, I could have moose (and other subsystems)
installed in the image I'm workin on. So I did.
I've found myself pretty impressed at the ease by which the subsystems
get installed. I started installing one of the web development systems, and
I got thru the whole automated process without any problems.
Then I evaluated the code that installs moose. It started running, and
run a lot without a problem too. But at some point, some missing methods
poped up a window in which I'm asked what to do. At the firsts of them, I
put 'proceed' (because I wouldn't abandon, nor debug because I woudn't
know
what to do), and it proceeded. At some later pop up errors, I was offered a
fourth option namely 'create', I did, and put the method I was asked to put
somewhere in systembase or some similar name (I can be more precise if
needed or asked to), then a code that showed a 'to be implemented' dummy
method or something, and then again, asked to proceed, and and did this
process a number of times, until I realized that there were many of them,
and I abadoned. And went here, asking for some kind help of you.
I could insist with squeak if that would do better, or go Cuis
alternatively (but from what I've read, maybe Cuis would not fit).
I've also read that pharo support from moose is in some development
phase. Is that true? So if I'm a beginner I should try it until it's ready.
I'm interested in moose mainly, and derived from this, in smalltalk and
in any of its free versions if they work.
Any hint is welcome.
cheers
Haroldo
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