Thank you very much for your kind welcome. Although it should be very easy, I'm still not sure how to get the moose image (I downloaded it) into pharo.
should something like:
$ pharo moose.image
... work? Or:
$ pharo -vm moose.image
... ?
I can't find pharo's command line options, although I read the faq and googled a lot. How do I tell it to load the image?
Then, how can I 'test' that effectively moose elements are available and ready to be run?
From within pharo, I can't find any 'load image' option.
My interest in moose is great. I'm a 25+ years systems programmer, and I have systems written in various languages. I'm sick of duplicated code. I'm tired of lost code because I have to switch the programming language of choice for whatever reason. I want to get real code reengineering into my set of tools, and I came across moose, which as far as I could find out, offers a lot of metrics tools, and also code abstraction, provided you have the proper parsers for your language, and re-write tools in order to really use old but perfectly valid code (which of course can be improved, but starting from a non-nil starting point, or having to reprogram things by hand).
I'm doing some of my codebase parsing in python, for convinience reasons, but I can write the same in smalltalk and MSE if I found out that correctly.
I've seen that not many people know here about moose, and except a man in my Linux User Group years ago, I've never seen anyone really into smalltak, nor in my university whatsoever. I get annoyed at the lack of attention that things like moose get in my ecosystem/country/zone. So, that's why I'm trying to get ahead and try something new and thoughtful. I'll report back as long as I can 'moose' my codebase and transform it into new languages, which why not, one of them could be smalltalk. I've been in many many different languages before, as you might guess. Maybe the most similar thing to smalltalk that I've seen is common lisp, because of it being a standard, and a live system with a REPL, and with the CLOS. But I've seen nothing like moose in the common lisp world.
The software systems that I've wrote for a living, are small-business operations-support, mainly for drugstores/pharmacies in Uruguay. Other systems add up, like CV analysis tools for recruiting, etc.
hope that conveys pretty much a part of me and my work.
The simplest way to get Moose would be to download it pre-loaded in
an image.
You can do this from http://www.moosetechnology.org/, there is a
button to get the latest image.
I you feel like it, later, you could drop a note to say what you
were looking for moose in the first place and how you feel about it.
It's always nice to have impressions from new members
thanks, cheers.
nicolas
On 02/19/2013 07:07 AM, Haroldo Stenger
wrote:
hi!
I'm totally new to smalltalk, although I've heard of it since
a lot of time ago.
In my arch linux installation, I've found some dificulties
running squeak, so I went into pharo once I've discovered they
are two free implementations of smalltalk.
Then I wondered myself, How can I do now to put moose into
here ? And then I saw that by selecting the proper text in one
of the default windows that pharo opens for me, I could have
moose (and other subsystems) installed in the image I'm workin
on. So I did.
I've found myself pretty impressed at the ease by which the
subsystems get installed. I started installing one of the web
development systems, and I got thru the whole automated process
without any problems.
Then I evaluated the code that installs moose. It started
running, and run a lot without a problem too. But at some point,
some missing methods poped up a window in which I'm asked what
to do. At the firsts of them, I put 'proceed' (because I
wouldn't abandon, nor debug because I woudn't know what to do),
and it proceeded. At some later pop up errors, I was offered a
fourth option namely 'create', I did, and put the method I was
asked to put somewhere in systembase or some similar name (I can
be more precise if needed or asked to), then a code that showed
a 'to be implemented' dummy method or something, and then again,
asked to proceed, and and did this process a number of times,
until I realized that there were many of them, and I abadoned.
And went here, asking for some kind help of you.
I could insist with squeak if that would do better, or go
Cuis alternatively (but from what I've read, maybe Cuis would
not fit).
I've also read that pharo support from moose is in some
development phase. Is that true? So if I'm a beginner I should
try it until it's ready.
I'm interested in moose mainly, and derived from this, in
smalltalk and in any of its free versions if they work.